Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Zod said:
Adam Ansel said:
The main reason we have a migrant swarm is Assad's thousands of barrel bombs. Designed principally to kill civilians who are "disloyal" to him.
Here is a compilation video of what it is like living under them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkuW1FcoWsI
According to Quantum, they don't exist and the Syrian people love Assad.Here is a compilation video of what it is like living under them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkuW1FcoWsI
What are these then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_83_bomb
"The Mk 83 is a streamlined steel casing containing 445 lb (202 kg) of Tritonal high explosive. When filled with PBXN-109 thermally insensitive explosive, the bomb is designated BLU-110.
So barrel bombs are metal casings, filled with high explosives in a high drag configuration, so completely different from that
Oh wait, they also have that special anti-Assad thought guidance, which allows them to target people with anti-Asaad thoughts, according to our resident barrel bomb expert.Sorry, they do not exist (I must keep up with my new denier tag)
Let not go down the road of trying to dig out the most shocking example of excess in the Syrian war, ISIS and the "moderate Islamists Fund-a-mentalists" have that battle well and truly won. let's ask the Jordanian pilot burned alive or the Yazidi women in slavery, or any Christian caught, or the Syrian Army fighters executed, or the children sold in sexual slavery or...well the list is long and getting longer.
Driller said:
What is this hysterical nonsense? They're bombs, f
king bombs. They drop them from helicopters. What difference does it make what shape they are?
Or do the "moderate" rebels use soft, victim friendly bullets in their AKs?
Quite agree. Explosive ordinance is explosive ordinance, what shape it is or how you deliver it is irrelevant.king bombs. They drop them from helicopters. What difference does it make what shape they are?Or do the "moderate" rebels use soft, victim friendly bullets in their AKs?
It's where you deliver it that matters.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I am now a barrel bomb denier, been called worse. So these barrel bombs are designed to kill civilians who are disloyal, Wow, that must be some kind of guidance system then, as they must be able to seek out anti-Assad thoughts. Assad must have created a Syrian barrel bomb skynet.
Of course - they use similar but opposite technology to the 'smart weapons' which are the only weapons that Western forces use and which magically only target and kill the 'bad guys'.All the people that our establishment doesn't like are essentially evil pantomime villains who use weapons designed to seek out and kill as many civilians as possible.
Hasn't that been made clear to you by years of media stories? The public doesn't want to know about the grim reality of all wars and silly things like subtleties and nuances - they want a jolly good story featuring people wearing white and black hats. And by god our newspapers and TV stations are going to give it to them!
Cobnapint said:
Driller said:
What is this hysterical nonsense? They're bombs, fking bombs. They drop them from helicopters. What difference does it make what shape they are?
Or do the "moderate" rebels use soft, victim friendly bullets in their AKs?
Quite agree. Explosive ordinance is explosive ordinance, what shape it is or how you deliver it is irrelevant.king bombs. They drop them from helicopters. What difference does it make what shape they are?Or do the "moderate" rebels use soft, victim friendly bullets in their AKs?
It's where you deliver it that matters.
What pisses me off is the complete and utter silence towards Turkey and their continued campaign against the Kurds. It's disgusting.
Frankly I hope (and I never thought I'd be saying this!) that Putin sends a load of material to them, including AA stuff. We, the West, have completely failed them and should be utterly ashamed. Remember the complete clustfk with the Yazidi? The Kurds were the only ones to actually do anything about it. And now we sit by as Turkey continues its campaign against them -and we turn a blind eye to them supporting bloody ISIS. Absolutely disgusting.
The current Turkish regime should be nowhere near joining the EU.
Frankly I hope (and I never thought I'd be saying this!) that Putin sends a load of material to them, including AA stuff. We, the West, have completely failed them and should be utterly ashamed. Remember the complete clustf
k with the Yazidi? The Kurds were the only ones to actually do anything about it. And now we sit by as Turkey continues its campaign against them -and we turn a blind eye to them supporting bloody ISIS. Absolutely disgusting. The current Turkish regime should be nowhere near joining the EU.
Adam Ansel said:
The main reason we have a migrant swarm is Assad's thousands of barrel bombs. Designed principally to kill civilians who are "disloyal" to him.
Here is a compilation video of what it is like living under them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkuW1FcoWsI
He must have said Allahu Akbar about 200 times in that video and yet Allah didn't want to step in and stop the bombing, how ungrateful.Here is a compilation video of what it is like living under them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkuW1FcoWsI
Lucas Ayde said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I am now a barrel bomb denier, been called worse. So these barrel bombs are designed to kill civilians who are disloyal, Wow, that must be some kind of guidance system then, as they must be able to seek out anti-Assad thoughts. Assad must have created a Syrian barrel bomb skynet.
Of course - they use similar but opposite technology to the 'smart weapons' which are the only weapons that Western forces use and which magically only target and kill the 'bad guys'.All the people that our establishment doesn't like are essentially evil pantomime villains who use weapons designed to seek out and kill as many civilians as possible.
Hasn't that been made clear to you by years of media stories? The public doesn't want to know about the grim reality of all wars and silly things like subtleties and nuances - they want a jolly good story featuring people wearing white and black hats. And by god our newspapers and TV stations are going to give it to them!
I understand what you are saying about the pantomime villains, and agree with you, much like Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and now Assad. these were / are not pleasant men, but they are a product of their environment, this part of the world weakness gets you killed.
To solve Syria, with the minimum of bloodshed, (A euphemism in Syria) support Assad, clear out the mess, along with the Russians, they will do it for us, without the UK/US/FR committing ground troops. All that is needed is to stop the flow of arms and money to these groups via Turkey, Saudi, Qatar or USA.
Let the Iranians clear out from the East, then start the geopolitics grand game again, without NATO and Russia seconds from confrontation. In the meantime, the Syrians can begin rebuilding their country, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey can return the millions of refugees to their home.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 25th November 21:20
QuantumTokoloshi said:
To solve Syria, with the minimum of bloodshed, (A euphemism in Syria) support Assad, clear out the mess, along with the Russians, they will do it for us, without the UK/US/FR committing ground troops. All that is needed is to stop the flow of arms and money to these groups via Turkey, Saudi, Qatar or USA.
Let the Iranians clear out from the East, then start the geopolitics grand game again, without NATO and Russia seconds from confrontation. In the meantime, the Syrians can begin rebuilding their country, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey can return the millions of refugees to their home.
Sounds like a plan!Let the Iranians clear out from the East, then start the geopolitics grand game again, without NATO and Russia seconds from confrontation. In the meantime, the Syrians can begin rebuilding their country, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey can return the millions of refugees to their home.
Cobnapint said:
As somebody has just said, you cannot believe a single word that comes from the Russian military or the Kremlin.
They lie for a living.
OK, Turkey perhaps over reacted, but Russia has been taking the piss for years with regard to global airspace. This will perhaps do them, and every fker else, some good.
perhaps? the plane has fallen on syrian territory, the missile hit it in syrian airspace (source : BBC via turkish defense ministry), it's an act of war...Russia has casus belli now, they can do anything they want to turkey without NATO stepping in to protect itThey lie for a living.
OK, Turkey perhaps over reacted, but Russia has been taking the piss for years with regard to global airspace. This will perhaps do them, and every f
ker else, some good.even if it skimmed their airspace for a couple of seconds it was not the reason to shoot it down, especially because it was on exit path, read NATO rules of engagement in situations of airspace violation, as a NATO member they should obey them
AreOut said:
Cobnapint said:
As somebody has just said, you cannot believe a single word that comes from the Russian military or the Kremlin.
They lie for a living.
OK, Turkey perhaps over reacted, but Russia has been taking the piss for years with regard to global airspace. This will perhaps do them, and every fker else, some good.
perhaps? the plane has fallen on syrian territory, the missile hit it in syrian airspace (source : BBC via turkish defense ministry), it's an act of war...Russia has casus belli now, they can do anything they want to turkey without NATO stepping in to protect itThey lie for a living.
OK, Turkey perhaps over reacted, but Russia has been taking the piss for years with regard to global airspace. This will perhaps do them, and every f
ker else, some good.even if it skimmed their airspace for a couple of seconds it was not the reason to shoot it down, especially because it was on exit path, read NATO rules of engagement in situations of airspace violation, as a NATO member they should obey them
Are the Russian air force that unprofessional that they wouldn't have known a couple of F16s were in the area - they couldn't have done.
He's saying he didn't receive any warnings - did he even have the correct channel open, or was a bottle of Vodka resting on the 'off' switch. Who knows.
Cobnapint said:
I'm not excusing Turkey's red mist moment, but Russia should obey lot's of international rules - and it doesn't.
Are the Russian air force that unprofessional that they wouldn't have known a couple of F16s were in the area - they couldn't have done.
He's saying he didn't receive any warnings - did he even have the correct channel open, or was a bottle of Vodka resting on the 'off' switch. Who knows.
I have read somewhere that Russians use that channel only in emergency situations (which they thought they were not in at the moment). It might be that both are right in that respect, Russians just didn't use proper channel as they didn't expect any interception/shooting. If they did they wouldn't go there without fighter escort.Are the Russian air force that unprofessional that they wouldn't have known a couple of F16s were in the area - they couldn't have done.
He's saying he didn't receive any warnings - did he even have the correct channel open, or was a bottle of Vodka resting on the 'off' switch. Who knows.
As for disobeying international rules it's one thing when you disobey it and don't do any harm(e.g. just violate another airspace which happens throughout the world on a daily basis) and another when you shoot and kill people in another airspace (irrespective of what they did before, overflying your territory doesn't give you right to shoot someone when he gets back into his airspace).
Going off on a slight tangent, I didn't know that Syria shot down a Turkish jet in 2012 for air space violation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-185848...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_intercepti...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-185848...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_intercepti...
Erdogan said:
"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he said. The Turkish jet was on a training flight, testing Turkey's radars in the eastern Mediterranean, he said.
Wikipedia said:
The Syrian military alleged that the fighter aircraft had violated Syrian airspace. However, Turkish president Abdullah Gül and other spokesmen have not confirmed this, though Gül said that "it is routine for jet fighters to sometimes fly in and out over [national] borders".[10]
It's fine when Turkey do it, obviously..Russia doing a good job taking out the trash. Good job they are engaged in this part of Syria for some reason we call these guys moderates. Staggering,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3334635/Lo...
Budflicker said:
So we have an ISIS friendly loose cannon rolling around on NATO's gun deck - Turkey.We don't trust Assad, Putin, or ISIS.
Merkel is overrunning Europe with Muslims and wants Turkey fast tracked into the EU.
I need a f
king lie down.Cobnapint said:
So we have an ISIS friendly loose cannon rolling around on NATO's gun deck - Turkey.
We don't trust Assad, Putin, or ISIS.
Merkel is overrunning Europe with Muslims and wants Turkey fast tracked into the EU.
I need a fking lie down.
And don't forget Dave is desperate to start flying planes over Syria and dropping bombs??We don't trust Assad, Putin, or ISIS.
Merkel is overrunning Europe with Muslims and wants Turkey fast tracked into the EU.
I need a f
king lie down.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff