Focus RS MK1 Buying Advice

Focus RS MK1 Buying Advice

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madmover

Original Poster:

1,725 posts

184 months

Sunday 17th April 2011
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Looking into purchasing a MK1 Focus RS at present, seen a few i like the look of but just wondering on what you all would advise? Im looking to potentially buy one around the 60k mark, aside all the usual bits and pieces is there anything i should be looking out for? all advice much appreciated! Cheers

AC

ALY77

666 posts

210 months

Monday 18th April 2011
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Spend a bit of time here...

http://bbs.rsownersclub.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1...

In general;
Paintwork is thin so chips a lot at the front.
Charge cooler header should be getting a jet of water back in when running.
Front Brembo brakes can become expensive so hope for life in the fronts (rear are oe Ford).
Metal pipe on o/s sump is part of coolant system and bad for rot/leaking.
Steering wheel colour can be badly worn on some examples, mine is on 49k and perfect but have seen some real states.
The alcantara can bobble a bit on the drivers seat.
Knock at low speed on a rough surface from the front is usually the top mounts/bearings, inexpensive to replace but a hassle to get in to.
Clutch bite point is naturally high - might appear nearly screwed but its fine.

Specifically, don't buy the first one you see and drive more than one.
They have a habit of behaving differently whilst being the same on paper.
Don't get sucked in by claims of a "phase two" or think that the build numbers reflect when they were built/put on the road. After a while ford revised the design of the throttle cable grommet at the back of the cam cover to reduce the chance of reported vibration through the accelerator pedal on some cars, the revised one being pink in colour.
They also ran an extra line of stitching horizontally over the base of the seats in later built cars to reduce the chance of sagging in the leather. They also put a sticker with the word "engine start" round the starter button on later built cars. However, these later built cars can be in the middle of the build number run somehow, around the 2000's and the seat bases could be done retrospectively if an owner requested it. It made the seat firmer and less comfy (not a car known for its comfort in the first place) so while some went for it, some didn't bother.

Finally, don't relax your grip on the steering wheel when pushing the go pedal smile

p.s. There are fewer and fewer standard cars around so researching things like Bluefin, Tuna (long story there), Running Direct boost, pads/discs options etc would be worthwhile.

Edited by ALY77 on Monday 18th April 20:59


Edited by ALY77 on Monday 18th April 21:06

AMST09

570 posts

180 months

Monday 18th April 2011
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Its never been more important to check that everything works properly
Parts can be highly expensive for this vehicle

As above main points he has said
Get signed up on focusrsec.co.uk

The steering wheel is prone to loosing its colour, so don't worry if it looks newer

neiljohnson

11,298 posts

207 months

Tuesday 19th April 2011
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ALY77 said:
Spend a bit of time here...

http://bbs.rsownersclub.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1...

In general;
Paintwork is thin so chips a lot at the front.
Charge cooler header should be getting a jet of water back in when running.
Front Brembo brakes can become expensive so hope for life in the fronts (rear are oe Ford).
Metal pipe on o/s sump is part of coolant system and bad for rot/leaking.
Steering wheel colour can be badly worn on some examples, mine is on 49k and perfect but have seen some real states.
The alcantara can bobble a bit on the drivers seat.
Knock at low speed on a rough surface from the front is usually the top mounts/bearings, inexpensive to replace but a hassle to get in to.
Clutch bite point is naturally high - might appear nearly screwed but its fine.

Specifically, don't buy the first one you see and drive more than one.
They have a habit of behaving differently whilst being the same on paper.
Don't get sucked in by claims of a "phase two" or think that the build numbers reflect when they were built/put on the road. After a while ford revised the design of the throttle cable grommet at the back of the cam cover to reduce the chance of reported vibration through the accelerator pedal on some cars, the revised one being pink in colour.
They also ran an extra line of stitching horizontally over the base of the seats in later built cars to reduce the chance of sagging in the leather. They also put a sticker with the word "engine start" round the starter button on later built cars. However, these later built cars can be in the middle of the build number run somehow, around the 2000's and the seat bases could be done retrospectively if an owner requested it. It made the seat firmer and less comfy (not a car known for its comfort in the first place) so while some went for it, some didn't bother.

Finally, don't relax your grip on the steering wheel when pushing the go pedal smile

p.s. There are fewer and fewer standard cars around so researching things like Bluefin, Tuna (long story there), Running Direct boost, pads/discs options etc would be worthwhile.

Edited by ALY77 on Monday 18th April 20:59


Edited by ALY77 on Monday 18th April 21:06
Surprised 'Tuna' isnt a banned word on hear wink

Whs but also look out for rust on the front wings where they join the bumper it can be sorted but if its to bad the wings are £1000 each yikes

Ive had mine for nearly 5 years & it has been a fantastic car that still makes me smile when i drive it smile

Some more info here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


AMST09

570 posts

180 months

Tuesday 19th April 2011
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Also have a mate that is looking to sell his MK1 RS soon

Believe its done 50-60k miles

ALY77

666 posts

210 months

Tuesday 19th April 2011
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Forgot the thermostat housing, they're plastic and generally crap. They're still over £100 from ford for another when (not if) it cracks and starts leaking coolant on the nearside of the block under where the plug leads run.

ALY77

666 posts

210 months

Tuesday 19th April 2011
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Oh and just to keep you thinking about them, a picture smile


madmover

Original Poster:

1,725 posts

184 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Thanks for all your help and advice, ive got to sort out my scirocco first but hopefully before the end of the month i can start properly looking and viewing potential examples. Thanks for all your help chaps! will have to get on auto trader and have a look around. With regards to mods, what are the favorite ones aside bluefin/chips im assuming many go with the cat back and induction?

Cheers

AC

neiljohnson

11,298 posts

207 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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madmover said:
Thanks for all your help and advice, ive got to sort out my scirocco first but hopefully before the end of the month i can start properly looking and viewing potential examples. Thanks for all your help chaps! will have to get on auto trader and have a look around. With regards to mods, what are the favorite ones aside bluefin/chips im assuming many go with the cat back and induction?

Cheers

AC
Once you start with mods its hard to stop laugh
I have done a few which have all been worthwhile & am over 300bhp now thumbup

A remap, Dreamscience bluefin etc makes a huge differance will make @ 265 bhp with this & a decat
A forge actuator especially as with age the origanial actuator will be shot anyway
Hybrid turbo This makes a huge differance as it will hold boost to the limiter rather than tailing off at @ 5500rpm
Tubular manifold makes a huge differance to the way they drive & gives more power higher up the rev range
K&n gen 2 filter not sure about power but makes a nice noise laugh
Decat & flexi exhaust section these are the only restrictive parts of the standerd exhaust

ALY77

666 posts

210 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Popular mods are;

Engine management though there are many options available from live maps to handset uploads (bluefin, Dreamscience etc).

Exhausts from cat back are common, oe one is stainless anyway so these have only ever been put on for performance. De-cats offer a notable increase in response but carry the need for a friendly MOT tester. Manifolds are an additional progression on the exhaust front but a decent one is £600 upwards new before you start trying to contain the heat they give off so not everyone takes the plunge there.

Suspension - H&R are the only spring only option for the model & until late were £200 upwards, though a trawl on Uk or german e-bay can get you them for about £160ish.
Next step tends to be coilovers which are usually four figures. KW's are popular but cira £1300 for the best ones.
With sachs dampers as standard fit & there only ever being 4501 of the them, the mainstream aftermarket manufacturers didn't bother with shocks for them.

Brakes - Brembo oe discs can be sourced for about £160 if you ask in the correct place, these with DS2500 are the most popular standard set up. Two piece discs are available as track work can warp one piece ones, for about £400. AP conversions are also popular but again in four figure territory on a car that can be had for under ten grand these days.

Breathing - K&N do a gen 2 filter which give the expected noise and flow but also costs £200 and live under the battery in front of the n/s wheel so comes with a waterproof sock and has a habit of falling off from time to time. Panel options are available too, from about £35.

Dump valves - If its running an atmospheric valve it'll likely cut out. The cars are set up to recirculate the air post turbo. There is usually a pipe missing if its running an atmospheric up at the intercooler (really a charge cooler) box to inlet. This runs from the filter to turbo pipe to the intercooler box and will be bunged at each join point. Bailey and Forge replacement valves are common and down under the battery almost but visable from above.

Turbos - An actuator change is usually needed by now due to age and many go Forge for this. The amal valve plugged electronically to the ECU controls the actuator still unless this has been removed from play (but still plugged in). Instead it can run "direct" where the vaccum for the actuator comes from the inlet and the position of the actuator (when fitted with an adjustable rod) decides the maximum boost which delivers up to the red line. This has the benefit of allowing higher boost peak and lets it build up slowly rather than the spike that the ecu will give which strains the drive train and tails off at 5500rpm. An on car adjustable rod is available through the right channels meaning boost can be set by turning two 10mm nuts on the modified rod without taking it off the car and melting your hands in the process.
Hybrids are the next step with various specs available. I'll guess you don't need the obvious mentioned, big turbo do what you'd expect.

Clutches are AP ones as standard but may have been replaced with an uprated one. Standard one is strong and should last for 60k no worries. The pedal feels normal so any heavy pedals on the left point to uprated ones.

Gauges. Buy a Scangauge 2 at the very least. The cars dont have water temp gauges and you do want to know what that is doing. The scan gauge will let you monitor the inlet temp too which is also handy for seeing if your chargecooler pump has decided it doesn't want to play any more.
A decent boost gauge doesn't go a miss either, since the one where the water temp is in every other Focus is run by what the ecu reckons the turbo is doing and is as accurate as me texting you the boost pressure from home.

Edited by ALY77 on Wednesday 20th April 14:48

neiljohnson

11,298 posts

207 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
quotequote all
ALY77 said:
Popular mods are;

Engine management though there are many options available from live maps to handset uploads (bluefin, Dreamscience etc).

Exhausts from cat back are common, oe one is stainless anyway so these have only ever been put on for performance. De-cats offer a notable increase in response but carry the need for a friendly MOT tester. Manifolds are an additional progression on the exhaust front but a decent one is £600 upwards new before you start trying to contain the heat they give off so not everyone takes the plunge there.

Suspension - H&R are the only spring only option for the model & until late were £200 upwards, though a trawl on Uk or german e-bay can get you them for about £160ish.
Next step tends to be coilovers which are usually four figures. KW's are popular but cira £1300 for the best ones.
With sachs dampers as standard fit & there only ever being 4501 of the them, the mainstream aftermarket manufacturers didn't bother with shocks for them.

Brakes - Brembo oe discs can be sourced for about £160 if you ask in the correct place, these with DS2500 are the most popular standard set up. Two piece discs are available as track work can warp one piece ones, for about £400. AP conversions are also popular but again in four figure territory on a car that can be had for under ten grand these days.

Breathing - K&N do a gen 2 filter which give the expected noise and flow but also costs £200 and live under the battery in front of the n/s wheel so comes with a waterproof sock and has a habit of falling off from time to time. Panel options are available too, from about £35.

Dump valves - If its running an atmospheric valve it'll likely cut out. The cars are set up to recirculate the air post turbo. There is usually a pipe missing if its running an atmospheric up at the intercooler (really a charge cooler) box to inlet. This runs from the filter to turbo pipe to the intercooler box and will be bunged at each join point. Bailey and Forge replacement valves are common and down under the battery almost but visable from above.

Turbos - An actuator change is usually needed by now due to age and many go Forge for this. The amal valve plugged electronically to the ECU controls the actuator still unless this has been removed from play (but still plugged in). Instead it can run "direct" where the vaccum for the actuator comes from the inlet and the position of the actuator (when fitted with an adjustable rod) decides the maximum boost which delivers up to the red line. This has the benefit of allowing higher boost peak and lets it build up slowly rather than the spike that the ecu will give which strains the drive train and tails off at 5500rpm. An on car adjustable rod is available through the right channels meaning boost can be set by turning two 10mm nuts on the modified rod without taking it off the car and melting your hands in the process.
Hybrids are the next step with various specs available. I'll guess you don't need the obvious mentioned, big turbo do what you'd expect.

Clutches are AP ones as standard but may have been replaced with an uprated one. Standard one is strong and should last for 60k no worries. The pedal feels normal so any heavy pedals on the left point to uprated ones.

Gauges. Buy a Scangauge 2 at the very least. The cars dont have water temp gauges and you do want to know what that is doing. The scan gauge will let you monitor the inlet temp too which is also handy for seeing if your chargecooler pump has decided it doesn't want to play any more.
A decent boost gauge doesn't go a miss either, since the one where the water temp is in every other Focus is run by what the ecu reckons the turbo is doing and is as accurate as me texting you the boost pressure from home.

Edited by ALY77 on Wednesday 20th April 14:48
bowclapbiggrin

ALY77

666 posts

210 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Quiet afternoon at work today smile

madmover

Original Poster:

1,725 posts

184 months

Thursday 21st April 2011
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ALY77 said:
Popular mods are;

Engine management though there are many options available from live maps to handset uploads (bluefin, Dreamscience etc).

Exhausts from cat back are common, oe one is stainless anyway so these have only ever been put on for performance. De-cats offer a notable increase in response but carry the need for a friendly MOT tester. Manifolds are an additional progression on the exhaust front but a decent one is £600 upwards new before you start trying to contain the heat they give off so not everyone takes the plunge there.

Suspension - H&R are the only spring only option for the model & until late were £200 upwards, though a trawl on Uk or german e-bay can get you them for about £160ish.
Next step tends to be coilovers which are usually four figures. KW's are popular but cira £1300 for the best ones.
With sachs dampers as standard fit & there only ever being 4501 of the them, the mainstream aftermarket manufacturers didn't bother with shocks for them.

Brakes - Brembo oe discs can be sourced for about £160 if you ask in the correct place, these with DS2500 are the most popular standard set up. Two piece discs are available as track work can warp one piece ones, for about £400. AP conversions are also popular but again in four figure territory on a car that can be had for under ten grand these days.

Breathing - K&N do a gen 2 filter which give the expected noise and flow but also costs £200 and live under the battery in front of the n/s wheel so comes with a waterproof sock and has a habit of falling off from time to time. Panel options are available too, from about £35.

Dump valves - If its running an atmospheric valve it'll likely cut out. The cars are set up to recirculate the air post turbo. There is usually a pipe missing if its running an atmospheric up at the intercooler (really a charge cooler) box to inlet. This runs from the filter to turbo pipe to the intercooler box and will be bunged at each join point. Bailey and Forge replacement valves are common and down under the battery almost but visable from above.

Turbos - An actuator change is usually needed by now due to age and many go Forge for this. The amal valve plugged electronically to the ECU controls the actuator still unless this has been removed from play (but still plugged in). Instead it can run "direct" where the vaccum for the actuator comes from the inlet and the position of the actuator (when fitted with an adjustable rod) decides the maximum boost which delivers up to the red line. This has the benefit of allowing higher boost peak and lets it build up slowly rather than the spike that the ecu will give which strains the drive train and tails off at 5500rpm. An on car adjustable rod is available through the right channels meaning boost can be set by turning two 10mm nuts on the modified rod without taking it off the car and melting your hands in the process.
Hybrids are the next step with various specs available. I'll guess you don't need the obvious mentioned, big turbo do what you'd expect.

Clutches are AP ones as standard but may have been replaced with an uprated one. Standard one is strong and should last for 60k no worries. The pedal feels normal so any heavy pedals on the left point to uprated ones.

Gauges. Buy a Scangauge 2 at the very least. The cars dont have water temp gauges and you do want to know what that is doing. The scan gauge will let you monitor the inlet temp too which is also handy for seeing if your chargecooler pump has decided it doesn't want to play any more.
A decent boost gauge doesn't go a miss either, since the one where the water temp is in every other Focus is run by what the ecu reckons the turbo is doing and is as accurate as me texting you the boost pressure from home.

Edited by ALY77 on Wednesday 20th April 14:48
Thanks for all your help and advice, i like the latter regarding gauges if i do decide to go with an RS looks like this would be a must!

ALY77

666 posts

210 months

Thursday 21st April 2011
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Yup, downside with the scangauge is that it needs to be plugged in to the ODB so you have a plug visible down under the steering column and a wire to try and conceal running to wherever you opt to put the gauge. Some guys velcro them to the top of the steering column, others out a single din headunit in place of the 1.8 din size and use the left over space to build the unit in to the facia adaptor, if you can stretch the cable (by unclipping the ODB socket behind the dash) it just about fits above the rear view mirror or if you pick up an ST170 clock surround and get handy with some plastic you can put it where the coin tray is by the clocks which is a bit of a waste of space. You can however also pick up replacement surrounds that take a 52mm gauge in that space.
Lots of options if you dig about, don't expect much to jump out a parts catalogue though. I've a stack boost gauge in a converted air vent which you can only pick up from a guy in the RSOC and even then it needs some fiddling with for a good fit.