"You're a pig and your breath stinks of bacon"

"You're a pig and your breath stinks of bacon"

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ATV

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195 months

Sunday 13th July 2014
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I know there are serving police officers on here so can I please ask why this motorist wasn't forcibly removed from his car and tasered whilst the 8 officers shout "stop resisting" wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knH51LX1e8Y

The officer states that an offence has been committed (handbrake turn). The motorist states that under the Road Traffic Act he's not obliged to get out of his car, which is fair enough but what if the police officer directed the motorist to exit the car for his own personal safety to make sure the motorist didn't have any weapons. That way the motorist can then be charged for not complying with an officer's lawful orders? Especially as there was a potential offence being committed (a handbrake turn)

Secondly the guy is shouting "you're a pig", "you're a punk" etc. Couldn't the catch all "breach of the peace" allow a forcible entry into the car? I know that because he didn't swear that the Section 5 Public Order Offence of causing harassment, distress or alarm wouldn't apply but surely the police had enough cause to arrest him? Perhaps not a charge, but enough to shut him up and take him down to the station.

Would appreciate feedback on this from a serving police officer or a solicitor rather than armchair lawyers, as I'm genuinely surprised at this video.


ATV

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556 posts

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Sunday 13th July 2014
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SV8Predator said:
Why should he be Tazered?
It was a tongue in cheek comment as I've seen other instances near Parliament where people demonstrating and mouthing off to police get quickly arrested for breach of the peace. Shouting "stop resisting" is a common tactic by police to beat/taser someone into submission if they are shouting abuse at officers.

I'm frankly very surprised that the motorist wasn't forcibly extracted from the car, I'm not sure of the laws, but I think you have to comply with an officer's lawful order.

Or perhaps I'm wrong

ATV

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La Liga said:
If he doesn't want to open the car door then it gets opened for him. Simple. Having the backing of a lawful request / power from the off is the best position to deal with people like that. If not it turns into a bit of a farce like the video shows.
From the video it looked like he complied with the order to produce the documents but the list of his non-compliance included:

- he wouldn't open the car door when requested
- wouldn't open the window fully to talk to the officer when requested
- wouldn't hand his driving licence to the officer because of "dirty paws" and made him look at the licence through the window, despite being requested
- called a police officer a "pig" (maybe not unlawful in the UK?)

and numerous other infractions. He seemed to know a bit about the law (i.e. he asked if under the Road Traffic Act he was compelled to open the door and the officer said no).

But it seems strange why wasn't he forcibly removed from the car and at the very least cuffed while questioned for the other offences?