Overtaking on zig-zags

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creampuff

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Sunday 19th October 2014
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The no overtaking the closest moving vehicle to the pedestrian crossing on zig-zags:

Does this apply to pedal cycles overtaking motor vehicles? i.e. can a pedal cycle overtake the closest moving motor vehicle to a pedestrian crossing or not?

Any link to the applicable legislation?

creampuff

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Monday 20th October 2014
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Actually I had seen that bit of legislation before.

However what I am not sure of is if "vehicle" includes pedal cycle or if it refers to motor vehicles.

ie

24. (1) Whilst any motor vehicle (in this regulation called “the approaching vehicle”) or any part of it is within the limits of a controlled area and is proceeding towards the crossing, the driver of the VEHICLE shall not cause it or any part of it—

(a)to pass ahead of the foremost part of any other motor vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or
(b)to pass ahead of the foremost part of a vehicle which is stationary for the purpose of complying with regulation 23, 25 or 26.

Does the VEHICLE which I have made caps include bicycles?

creampuff

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Monday 20th October 2014
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Or to be more specific, Part IV, Regulation 20 excludes pedal cycles from the definition of "vehicle"

"Prohibition against the stopping of vehicles in controlled areas

20. (1) For the purposes of this regulation and regulations 21 and 22 the word “vehicle” shall not include a pedal bicycle not having a sidecar attached to it, whether or not additional means of propulsion by mechanical power are attached to the bicycle.

(2) Except as provided in regulations 21 and 22 the driver of a vehicle shall not cause it or any part of it to stop in a controlled area.
"

But my reading of that is that is applies to Regulations 20, 21 and 22. The bit about no overtaking is in Part IV, Regaulation 24. Therefore I think this applies also to pedal cycles, therefore pedal cycles may not overtake.

Is my interpretation correct?

creampuff

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Red Devil said:
No. Regulation 24 specfically states 'motor vehicle'. A pedal cycle isn't one.
It doesn't absolve the rider from giving way to a pedestrian on the crossing though.
Reg 24 refers to a "vehicle" (not motor vehicle) passing a "motor vehicle"

My reading is therefore that "vehicle" includes pedal cycles.

To requote from above: "Whilst any motor vehicle (in this regulation called “the approaching vehicle”) or any part of it is within the limits of a controlled area and is proceeding towards the crossing, the driver of the vehicle shall not cause it or any part of it—

(a)to pass ahead of the foremost part of any other motor vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or
(b)to pass ahead of the foremost part of a vehicle which is stationary for the purpose of complying with regulation 23, 25 or 26."


I'm having an argument with a cyclist on another forum. This is important, dammit!!! biggrin

creampuff

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Monday 20th October 2014
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CAPP0 said:
Not sure if you're being serious or just having a day off school…..
Yeah actually I made the OP just before bed and did the replies after only 6 hours sleep. The meaning of the leglislation is clear now I've had a few cups of coffee. That will learn me for posting while sleepy wink