Racism ?

[Nigel Worc's]

I know this is the daily wail, but it just cannot be true ............. can it ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2808822/Or...

If there is any truth in that, any truth at all, then the coppers and the security guard should be sacked.

Just for clarity, I'm not a Muslim either.

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MrBarry123 said:

But it is racist so I don't understand your point?

No it isn't racist, what race are Muslims ?

If he'd made reference to a race, then perhaps, but only just perhaps.

I often feel the same way as they confiscate my lucozade I carry in case of hypos or whatever other crap they come up with.

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MrBarry123 said:

Nope. A Muslim is a follower of Islam.

Racist is defined as: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Race is defined as: a social concept used to categorise humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation.

Your point is therefore invalid on all counts.

Hmm, sounds bks to me.

If the above is true, why don't we see Muslims in court on charges of racism ?

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Mk3Spitfire said:

Sorry Nigel, on what basis should the cops and security guard be sacked?

On the basis that anyone offended by a statement like that shouldn't be doing the job of a security guard, especially at an airport, where they revel in being complete arses.

I have actually made the same remark myself, when they really did confiscate my small unopened bottle of lucozade, at Birmingham airport, despite all the documentation I carry.

Also, bear in mind the chap is 75 years old, and almost certainly, like myself, he will not bow down to this liberal PC crap.

I am surprised, but perhaps I shouldn't be, that people would support his arrest.

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Mk3Spitfire said:

Are you admitting openly to making racially/religiously aggravated comments?

So someone makes a complaint of a serious nature and the authorities deal with it accordingly, and you'd like to see them all lose their jobs?

I don't consider that to be racist in the slightest.

Complaint of a serious nature ? FFS !

If it was so serious, why was it dropped then ?

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MrBarry123 said:

And therefore from a generation which deemed it okay to include signs reading 'No dogs, no blacks, no Irish' in hotel windows.

Whilst that generation may have done a lot for this country, they wouldn't be the generation you'd ask to return for a lesson in equality.

I actually remember those times, and although I don't remember hotel signs, I do remember the house for sale signs saying "no blacks", I was only a child at the time though.

I would consider "no blacks" to be racist, but I most certainly do not consider "I'm not a Muslim" to be racist.

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Mk3Spitfire said:

Nigel Worc's said:

I actually remember those times, and although I don't remember hotel signs, I do remember the house for sale signs saying "no blacks", I was only a child at the time though.

I would consider "no blacks" to be racist, but I most certainly do not consider "I'm not a Muslim" to be racist.

What do you think was the reasoning for such a comment? What do you think he was implying?

He's implying that people from those times are racist, and I think he's wrong, we just had more choice regarding who and where.

I don't recall it being an issue, one of my grandmothers lived in an area called "Small Heath" in Birmingham, a very black area even when I was a boy, like I said, I don't remember any issues, I don't even remember anyone even commenting.

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smn159 said:

Yep, those were the days
Love Thy Neighbour and the Black and White Minstrels on the telly
Jim Davidson and Chalky

Times move on I'm afraid...

Only in one direction though, only the caucasian side are ever racist, which was an earlier point I made that seems to have been missed.

"Kill the infidels" ....... that's ok.

"I'm not Muslim" ............arrestable apparently.

Is it just me ?

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Bigends said:

Mk3Spitfire said:

Bigends said:

Certainly a racist incident if the security guard perceived mateys comments to be racist..but a racially aggravated public order offence? It would depend on his manner of speaking to the security guard - if just a passing comment whilst slipping his shoes off then arrest would seem to be a bit heavy

Surely if security guard was HAD, it would become more than just an incident?

HAD?

I didn't ask, it'll be something else we can't say !

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Magog said:

Nigel Worc's said:

He's implying that people from those times are racist, and I think he's wrong, we just had more choice regarding who and where.

I don't recall it being an issue, one of my grandmothers lived in an area called "Small Heath" in Birmingham, a very black area even when I was a boy, like I said, I don't remember any issues, I don't even remember anyone even commenting.

You must have missed Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech then...

I've heard it in later life, and will have been a child when it was made.

I grew up largely in inner city brum, I never saw or experienced any racial issues, by the time the riots happened in the 80's, I was away with the RAF, and had been for a few years.

Seeing Jim Davidsons "chalky" written did bring a smile to my face though, there was a black recruit on my intake (you didn't see many black people in the RAF, I remember him and one Asian Officer I met years later, he was destined to be RAF Regt), and that's what he was known as, I can't even remember his name, never saw him again once we'd passed out, nice lad, he was from brum too.

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Mk3Spitfire said:

Never said "offending" someone was. Please conceded you're splitting hairs.

So if it isn't offence, how did it alarm or distress the poor 'ickle security guard ?

Someone is taking the piss here, and I don't think it is the chap who said he wasn't Muslim.

I actually think it is a bit of a farce, this racism stuff, if it decends to this level.

As a Constable I'd expect you to identify that.

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Mk3Spitfire said:

It's not my job to do any such thing.

It's what we used to do !