Plead Guilty by Post/At Court... What to put?
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I wonder what the take is on my current situation.
Months ago the GF at the time wanted to drive my car, one night I conceded and we headed to the most suitable place I could think of. We went to a huge Tesco car park at 11.30pm on a Tuesday. As you can imagine, it was empty.
I showed her how I wanted to driver (down one isle, u turn and up the next)then we switched seats. For about 1min 30secs she drove up and down, no car came in the car park or came near us the entire time.
To my horror a Police car entered the car park and pulled up near the door. I instructed her to pull into a bay and we switched seats. I drove away and the Police car followed and pulled me.
It transpired that they'd noticed the car from the main road. I explained what we were doing, given the circumstances I thought I'd pass the attitude test and they'd say fair enough, have a nice night.
The Police agreed that the driving was at a sensible speed but told me that they had to report it nevertheless.
She rung me in floods of tears yesterday, apparently she's being prosecuted for driving without insurance, I'll be prosecuted for Aiding & Abetting driving without insurance. Its a minimum of 6 points for each offense and as shes within her 2years her license will be revoked.
A little harsh or just deserts? I'm taking it on the chin either way
I'm being charged with Aiding&Abetting driving without insurance and "permitted *** to drive a motor vehicle, on a road..., otherwise then in accordance with a licence authorising her to drive of a motor vehicle of that class"
Should I plead guilty and fill in the form, or plead guilty and go to court?
It appears that I'm looking at 9 points and a hefty fine
Any advice would be appreciated
Edit to add: It could be worth mentioning that they're hearing the case at Crown court 12 days from today, so I'm sending my letter today at 4pm.
I wonder what the take is on my current situation.
Months ago the GF at the time wanted to drive my car, one night I conceded and we headed to the most suitable place I could think of. We went to a huge Tesco car park at 11.30pm on a Tuesday. As you can imagine, it was empty.
I showed her how I wanted to driver (down one isle, u turn and up the next)then we switched seats. For about 1min 30secs she drove up and down, no car came in the car park or came near us the entire time.
To my horror a Police car entered the car park and pulled up near the door. I instructed her to pull into a bay and we switched seats. I drove away and the Police car followed and pulled me.
It transpired that they'd noticed the car from the main road. I explained what we were doing, given the circumstances I thought I'd pass the attitude test and they'd say fair enough, have a nice night.
The Police agreed that the driving was at a sensible speed but told me that they had to report it nevertheless.
She rung me in floods of tears yesterday, apparently she's being prosecuted for driving without insurance, I'll be prosecuted for Aiding & Abetting driving without insurance. Its a minimum of 6 points for each offense and as shes within her 2years her license will be revoked.
A little harsh or just deserts? I'm taking it on the chin either way
I'm being charged with Aiding&Abetting driving without insurance and "permitted *** to drive a motor vehicle, on a road..., otherwise then in accordance with a licence authorising her to drive of a motor vehicle of that class"
Should I plead guilty and fill in the form, or plead guilty and go to court?
It appears that I'm looking at 9 points and a hefty fine
Any advice would be appreciated
Edit to add: It could be worth mentioning that they're hearing the case at Crown court 12 days from today, so I'm sending my letter today at 4pm.
agtlaw said:
The offence is not being dealt with at crown court - it can't be (except by way of appeal from the magistrates' court).
Not sure what the rush is to return a form more than a week before its due. It won't be looked at until the hearing anyway - which is when full credit is given for an early guily plea. There's no extra credit for sending it in a week or weeks before the hearing.
My apologies I misread the form! It is at Magistrates.Not sure what the rush is to return a form more than a week before its due. It won't be looked at until the hearing anyway - which is when full credit is given for an early guily plea. There's no extra credit for sending it in a week or weeks before the hearing.
I won't rush to send the paperwork then, the girl who was driving sent hers the very day she received it, she was in quite a panic :/
agtlaw said:
StottyEvo said:
Agt as the car park has public access I thought it would count as a road? I forget to mention that at the time of the offense she hadn't passed her driving test. I thought that charge was in relation to not having L plates displayed.
A car park is not generally a road. Thread on here about the law. Another about NG using phone in Tesco car park where trial issue was road or not.No insurance offence is on a road or other public place
Drive o/w licence is on a road - therefore not guilty
If she hasn't passed her test then her licence won't be revoked. That only applies after the driving test is passed
agtlaw said:
StottyEvo said:
Could anyone clarify what "Non endorsable" means with regards to my second charge. If it means that it won't go on my licence I'm tempted to plead guilty simply to avoid potentially antagonising the judge, if its simply a fine I'm not too bothered!
A Tesco car park is not a road. You should plead not guilty. Unlikely to be a judge in the Magistrates' Court. If you plead not guilty then this offence is unlikely to be proceeded with - especially if you've pleaded guilty to the insurance offence.whoami said:
StottyEvo said:
If anybody is interested I was awarded 8 points and a £360 fine.
8 points is the maximum for the offence
Seems harsh.8 points is the maximum for the offence
What was the impact on your insurance?
My renewal is in March, I may have to sell it if the price goes up too much (bearing in mind I'm paid £250/week)I best enjoy is while I can
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