9 Points on license & now caught by speed camera, what ban?

[gadgetmac]

20 years I've driven past a particular camera (4 times a week) and always gone through it correctly but this time I apparently didn't. I find it hard to believe with this camera because its just up the road from me is almost part of my psyche so I'll be asking some questions but what should they be?

Calibration certificate?

Any more?

That aside, if I did go through a 50 limit at 69 and with 9 points garnered already what is the likely outcome, cash and ban, please?

Thanks for your help.

MF

[gadgetmac]

Sadly all of the other 9 points are within 3 years (2013). When you get a ban do the points get reset to zero?

[gadgetmac]

Yeah, sadly the other points are for speeding

So, is a 6 month ban the general consensus? I was kinda hoping for 3 months max.

Seems a tad harsh for a first ban in 30 years with no accidents involved in any of the 2 previous transgressions etc...

What will the financial penalty likely be, anyone know?

[gadgetmac]

I'm not defending my actions by any stretch. If I did the crime then I'll do the time, no problem.

I've 2 previous convictions amounting to 9 points. Both were camera based, 1 on dual carriageway and 1 on Mway. Prior to that the only other conviction I ever got was some 27 years ago when I'd just passed my test.

My comment about it being perhaps a little harsh is in relation to a chap in work who tore round a corner on a country road and collided with a stationary car putting 2 people in hospital and only got a 3 month ban.

[gadgetmac]

btcc123 said:

So for the last 20 years you have passed a speed camera four times a week so you clearly know it is there yet this time you went trough it not a little bit over the speed limit but a lot at 69 in a 50.

See my first post, I'm struggling to understand that myself. I almost don't believe it unlike the previouse 2 events which I hold my hand up to.

btcc123 said:

I suspect you will get a 3 month ban and £1000 fine

Seems balanced.

btcc123 said:

but in cases similar to yours where a person disregards the speeding laws I would make the ban 6 months and a maximum fine which I believe is £2500.Or possibly give you 12 points but not ban you so you will have the knowledge of one slip up and you will get a ban ,oh and a £5000 fine.

Actually I'm only after peoples opinions on my ACTUAL possible fate thank you not what THEY would punish me with or I'm sure this thread will quickly fill up with "string him up" posts

[gadgetmac]

Thank you everyone for your help and insight into this self-inflicted predicament.

Cheers.

[gadgetmac]

LoonR1 said:

2 prior convictions giving you 9 points. That means you either got 4 points for one and 5 for the other or 3 for one and 6 for the other. So what's the story there?

3 and 6.

Yes, yes, I know, and I've put my hand up to it, I'm not one to not acknowledge my short-comings. Both of those I saw the 'flash' in my rear view mirror and instantly knew I'd done wrong. Both times I got that pit-of-stomach "oh b*ll*cks" moment.

This one is 'different'. No pit-of-stomach moment. No 'flash' and I've never not recognised the cameras existence (as I approached it) before. It's a 50 limit on a rural semi-busy dual carriageway at 6:30pm where everyones brake lights come on in front of you. It's almost unthinkable how I did this one.

But if I did then I must take whatever 'hit' is headed my way. Trust me, my wife is on my case 24/7 about it at the moment. So I'm just trying to get a bit of forewarning as to what that 'hit' will likely be.

[gadgetmac]

LoonR1 said:

So what happened to get 6, that's quite a penalty as it's the maximum for speeding, or pretty close to it.

90 in a 70. (M25 at 2am - more cameras than traffic) but no excuses. The judge only gave me a £100 fine but I think that because this incident followed hot on the heels of the first one he spanked me with the points.

My problem is if I see an empty D/C or MWay in front of me I can get a little 'relaxed' if there is no traffic around. Wouldn't dream of it during normal hours hence my bewilderment with this latest incident at 6:30pm on a road that whilst not busy would have had traffic on it.

[gadgetmac]

Oh dear this is really deteriorating quickly now. All of a sudden I've come on here to "boast".

Wow.

I said 90 and it was 90ish, I can't remember the exact number. Likely a bit more then but certainly not a ton as I'd have been banned automatically.

Anyway, I've already been tried and hung for that offence so lets not re-run it eh chaps

Poledriver marks the first of the real "hang him high" brigade. Expected it sooner to be honest. Adds nothing just comes on to vent his spleen. All that jazz has wandered in after him. Fair enough.

But how someone who openly declares he has his own speed limit of whatever the law says plus a 10% personal bonus can criticise anyone else who speeds is beyond me. Your either compliant or your not, and we are both not.

Speeding is not big and its not clever, even by 10%, and I've never advocated otherwise. But if this is a demonstration of how a request for information can snowball into a pitchforks and torches march then I'll bow out.

To everyone who's seen my OP for what it is and tried to offer advice etc, cheers

But "Boasting". REALLY?

[gadgetmac]

LoonR1 said:

The thing is that the other poster (and me) who set outer own limits within reason of the speed limit must have better observational skills, or use our thresholds more appropriately, or both as we don't have any points. Whereas, you've managed to be in a position to be banned from three instances of speeding in a short space of time. That's pretty poor driving obs whichever way you cut it.

Its kinda like you've been asking me questions ("come on OP") just so that you can make a point that iis irrelevant to my enquiry but which you'd like to make anyway.

You have no points, well done.

I'll tell the judge that I've clearly set my own personal "thresholds" too high and promise to reduce them to 10% above whatever the limit is in future just like some of the chaps on PH

How does my first thread asking about the possible consequences for a specific event turn into a "I'm a great driver and you're sh*t" thread?

I'll have to think again about my next thread, "Aggravated burglary, will I get out on a tag?"

Edited by gadgetmac on Saturday 20th June 23:52

[gadgetmac]

hora said:

OP were you distracted in anyway?

I'm actually not sure.

It's a camera thats stuck indelibly in my head and has been for 20 odd years. Indeed, when i'm a passenger passing it I always point it out. It's the only camera for miles and is well sign posted so I'm seriously baffled as to how this time i would have not been aware it - which is why i need to ask for more evidence i think, just to be sure, but what evidence can I ask for, that was my OP.

I'll say it again, I'm not proud of it but it is what it is and I'm just asking for info.

[gadgetmac]

LoonR1 said:

Not sure why you seem to head off in a different direction with my posts.

Hmmmm.

[gadgetmac]

LoonR1 said:

gadgetmac said:

LoonR1 said:

Not sure why you seem to head off in a different direction with my posts.

Hmmmm.

I was genuinely just asking about your 6 pointer. I speed everywhere, pretty well all the time so I don't judge people for getting caught. I do wonder about those on 9points though getting caught again. I had 6 months of 9 points 20 years ago and was an angel on the road for those months.

OK, thats cool.

[gadgetmac]

To bring this thread full circle I have an update.

I have now received an offer of a £100 fine and 3 points which lasts for 28 days.

I didn't get caught by the fixed camera I got snapped by a "manned unit" some 200 yards further down the road.

The Speed Limits on the Dual Carriageway section I was on go like this:

NSL --> 50 --> NSL

I was entirely legal for the camera at the start of the 50 section but apparently accelerated too soon once out of the fixed cameras range in anticipation of the NSL ahead. Sadly for me the police had set-up a trap to catch people doing this. Bingo.

I suppose when they receive and endorse my licence they will realise I am already on 9 points and write telling me I am banned, likely for 6 months yes? I won't be given the chance to apologise and throw myself onto the courts mercy in the hope of a reduced ban to say 3 months?

Again, I'm not glorifying this, just asking the question and would be grateful for sensible replies.

[gadgetmac]

A205GTI said:

I had this issue, 2 weeks away from 3 points coming off got caught worried about the potential totting up as I was on 9.

sent license of, came back with 3 points on, so you may get away with it.

Coincidently I'm actually 4 weeks away from 3 points dropping off (if its 3 year stints)

[gadgetmac]

esxste said:

gadgetmac said:

I have now received an offer of a £100 fine and 3 points which lasts for 28 days.

What does it say will happen if you reject this offer?

I can't remember, I'll have a look when I get home. It did say (boldly IIRC) that I only had 28 days in which to accept the offer. I would assume a court hearing would then be set for me.

[gadgetmac]

nitrodave said:

might be worth checking what you actually have right now. Went to add my missus to my insurance and she thought she had points. Turns out she didnt when we checked online.

https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

tHANKS. I did that immediately I got the NIP, sadly I do have 9 points in force at this time.

[gadgetmac]

wc98 said:

anyway to drag out actually getting the points ? i thought totting up was on the basis of the date of conviction not date of offence ?

Its date of offence, the govt website where you can check your own endorsements shows the offence date and the expiry date which is exactly 3 years after the offence date.

[gadgetmac]

LoonR1 said:

I don't think you can accept this "conditional offer of a fixed penalty", as you break one of the conditions to be able to accept it.

Read the T&Cs of the notice, or you risk a hearing possibly in your absence.

Strangely there are no T&C's that mention anything relating to you becomming eligable for a ban should the 3 points bring you up to 12 points. I find that odd but have read all of the small print on the 2 sheets of paper that I received and that is indeed the case.

[gadgetmac]

esxste said:

gadgetmac said:

I have now received an offer of a £100 fine and 3 points which lasts for 28 days.

What does it say will happen if you reject this offer?

It doesn't say what will happen if I reject the offer or even if I simply allow the time to elapse - it just says you have 28 days to accept the offer during which time no action will taken against you.