University degree required to join the police
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856
I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
Apart from the medical profession and maybe engineers, no one really needs a degree. In most occupations you can learn everything on the job.
If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.c
If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.c
Derek Smith said:
The government, despite knowing about this for nearly 9 years, has still not paid me my due, despite agreeing, as they knew, that they had underpaid, and deliberately. They claim that they need time to work out individual cases. They've had 8+ years, but need more time. All they need is a spreadsheet, six entries, and the precise figure will be revealed]
I was arrested by mistaken identity and despite the Met acknowledging this almost immediately, it took over 9 years to get my record removed from the PNC! NINE f
king YEARS!At least in your case, you are only awaiting some back pay. I missed out on a great opportunity to emigrate to Canada + shelved a lot of travel plans to the US as I wasnt ready to go before a consular to explain why I was arrested for fraud.
Elroy Blue said:
I wonder if the Officers at the tube station yesterday had University Degrees. I'm sure they would have been very handy.
Well done to the cops for doing proper police work. They sure didn't need a degree neither did these guys. They didn't even enjoy the luxury of a police academy.https://youtu.be/TT9XOUuGgbw
You must be stuck in an age where all you needed was all brawn and no brain to be a copper. Police work involves a lot more than arresting terrorists with knives.
Does a teacher need a degree to teach 6 year olds to read and write?
Does a nurse need a degree to use a defibrillator on a patient?
Do students on sport scholarships need a degree to play in the NBA?
Very few roles actually need a degree.
A degree is good for many other reasons. It looks like the days where the least academically competent people go into policing as a last resort may soon be over.
Dinosaurs are always resistant to change. Your hope is that the police service remains stuck in the dark ages of jobs for chums, unchecked nepotism and a job for life despite a lack of ability. Unfortunately for you lot things are changing.
The fire service reformed, nursing was reformed, teaching was reformed and so will the police service. We are already seeing some reforms in the service. When I came to this country (London) I never ever saw an officer who was an ethnic minority. Just the usual suspects policing a city with 40% minority population. Now you see different faces even if most of them are PCSOs, its still an improvement.
The days of 'Sarge, mi lad is 6'5 but don't got any GCSEs, any chance he can help out at the custody desk' are gone.
The fire service reformed, nursing was reformed, teaching was reformed and so will the police service. We are already seeing some reforms in the service. When I came to this country (London) I never ever saw an officer who was an ethnic minority. Just the usual suspects policing a city with 40% minority population. Now you see different faces even if most of them are PCSOs, its still an improvement.
The days of 'Sarge, mi lad is 6'5 but don't got any GCSEs, any chance he can help out at the custody desk' are gone.
I do not agree with prospective recruits being asked to have a degree in policing unless of course the govt wants to fund it 100%. There is absolutely nothing wrong with requiring a conversion course after a normal degree has been obtained.
We are always told that minorities don't apply to join the service. PCSO make up shows that is simply propaganda. Or how else do you explain the large representation of minorities in the PCSO rank. I find it unbelievable that minorities, older people and women will happily apply to join the less paying, less glamorous, less respected PCSO roles but not PC roles.
We are always told that minorities don't apply to join the service. PCSO make up shows that is simply propaganda. Or how else do you explain the large representation of minorities in the PCSO rank. I find it unbelievable that minorities, older people and women will happily apply to join the less paying, less glamorous, less respected PCSO roles but not PC roles.
All new police constables in the MPS will receive a basic starting salary of £22,221 per annum rising to £36,885. All new constables will commence service at the start of the scale and will progress according to relevant Home Office guidelines and police regulations.
In addition to basic salary all Metropolitan Police officers receive London weighting and allowances currently amounting to approximately £6,615 per annum.
PCSO Basic salary ranges from £21,709 to £24,555. You may then be entitled to an additional shift disturbance allowance of 12.5%, 15% or 20%, depending on your shift pattern. And you’ll also receive a location allowance – currently £3,501 (inner zone) or £1,902 (outer zone).
New PC: £22,200 (rising to £36,885) + £6,600 (London weighting) = £28,900. Free travel on TfL services.
New PCSO - £21,700 (rising to £24,500) + £3,500 (inner zone) + £4,400 (20% shift allowance - evenings/nights/weekends?) = £29,600. Free travel on London buses.
So you want me to believe that minorities and older people apply to become PCSOs because they may earn £600 more than a PC. Bear in mind that the PCSOs who will earn the amount calculated above will be doing way more unsocial hours than the average PC and will spend a fortune commuting into the inner zones. This £600 difference will probably only be for the 1st year as well.
I call BS. Please look for another spin.
In addition to basic salary all Metropolitan Police officers receive London weighting and allowances currently amounting to approximately £6,615 per annum.
PCSO Basic salary ranges from £21,709 to £24,555. You may then be entitled to an additional shift disturbance allowance of 12.5%, 15% or 20%, depending on your shift pattern. And you’ll also receive a location allowance – currently £3,501 (inner zone) or £1,902 (outer zone).
New PC: £22,200 (rising to £36,885) + £6,600 (London weighting) = £28,900. Free travel on TfL services.
New PCSO - £21,700 (rising to £24,500) + £3,500 (inner zone) + £4,400 (20% shift allowance - evenings/nights/weekends?) = £29,600. Free travel on London buses.
So you want me to believe that minorities and older people apply to become PCSOs because they may earn £600 more than a PC. Bear in mind that the PCSOs who will earn the amount calculated above will be doing way more unsocial hours than the average PC and will spend a fortune commuting into the inner zones. This £600 difference will probably only be for the 1st year as well.
I call BS. Please look for another spin.
XCP said:
Don't forget that the life of a PCSO is a lot easier than that of a PC. And the deductions from earnings for pension etc, are a lot less.
It sure is. They don't really do much and have to call on real cops to deal with the more demanding stuff. I just find it hard to believe that all these minorities and older people are only applying for the less prestigious, less rewarding job of a PCSO.
I personally know 2 former PCSOs (ethnic minorities) who wanted to be PCs but had to settle for PCSO roles.
Elroy Blue said:
You would wouldn't you. Pulled right out of your bottomless basket of 'mates'. Jackanory has got nothing on you.
Don't hate the playa, hate the game. It isnt my fault that I get out more than you do. Get a life plonker. I don't usually have time for old losers like yourself but I have the day off tomorrow.Bring it on old man!
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