Police - excessive force on this week's news
Discussion
Where was the threat. The man was calm, he obviously didn't want to lay on the floor and why was it required?! (over an alleged fare dodge). Then the baton is drawn, ontop of this it was a really ineffective strike.
We're they both new? Why did it get to this? Jesus wept
https://youtu.be/K9_tGKfz4PQ
We're they both new? Why did it get to this? Jesus wept
https://youtu.be/K9_tGKfz4PQ
AH33 said:
Why should he get on the floor? Even if the guy was evading a fare, that doesn't warrant this sort of response. Police should be trained to not escalate minor things into major problems.
He was repeating 'I'll go with you'. Crackers isn't it. Theres a police saying 'go in with your slippers, you can always boot your boots on later'.I'd love to see the preceding footage, was he taken to once side, the reasons why he might be cuffed (safety of both the officer and himself), the cuffs should be out swiftly whilst he is saying this.
However forget all that if you ask someone to stay still when your talking to them you should use your training (armbar, thumb-lock etc etc). Don't BTP get trained in this?!
However forget all that if you ask someone to stay still when your talking to them you should use your training (armbar, thumb-lock etc etc). Don't BTP get trained in this?!
anonymous said:
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There is unlawful arrest and at custody when the Officer is asked under what act/justification for arrest by the Sargeant it may get abit prickly/difficult. If it really is unjust and the officer is honest but can't point out clear fear or threat of violence then he/she will be in alot of trouble? If that was me in the vid I'd like to think it wouldn't get to pushing and shoving.
Ok I'm Sat comfortably in my armchair, one of the officers is either new or is an inactive third party. At 30secs he had easy and ample opportunity to get a cuff on. If he didn't or was a rabbit in the headlights why didn't he shove his cuffs into his vest or holder and use both hands to assist?
The more time drags on the more time the person has to balloon, escape or draw attention. Get it done.
Anyway, we all make mistakes in the office. That is one major f
k up.
Let's see what comes out. Hopefully they'll keep their accounts honest.
As for actual body harm, wtf.
The more time drags on the more time the person has to balloon, escape or draw attention. Get it done.
Anyway, we all make mistakes in the office. That is one major f
k up.Let's see what comes out. Hopefully they'll keep their accounts honest.
As for actual body harm, wtf.
Ok in defence of the officers.
'What is your name?'
X X
Do you have any ID on you to verify this?
'No'
Ok I need to ascertain who you say you are etc (reason given). Etc
Man gets jumpy/starts wandering
Please keep still sir otherwise I'll need to cuff you etc etc. Ask again and again. Man then starts getting agitated and shouting out that he isn't resisting, hea complying'. They ascert authority but one becomes a wallflower whilst the other is too small on his own, afterall the Chap looks easily 200lbs and isnt short. Because the officer is on his own effectively he's basically shouting on his own/isn't being backed up and is floudering/ineffective.
If this was a true version of events the wallflower can't be trusted to hold a coat in a fight.
'What is your name?'
X X
Do you have any ID on you to verify this?
'No'
Ok I need to ascertain who you say you are etc (reason given). Etc
Man gets jumpy/starts wandering
Please keep still sir otherwise I'll need to cuff you etc etc. Ask again and again. Man then starts getting agitated and shouting out that he isn't resisting, hea complying'. They ascert authority but one becomes a wallflower whilst the other is too small on his own, afterall the Chap looks easily 200lbs and isnt short. Because the officer is on his own effectively he's basically shouting on his own/isn't being backed up and is floudering/ineffective.
If this was a true version of events the wallflower can't be trusted to hold a coat in a fight.
Rovinghawk said:
If he's not able to do the job properly then he shouldn't be doing the job.
Difficult one as you are told not to be a hero/go in gung ho. Saying that if he had been more pro active/acted with common sense it wouldn't have left his colleague hanging and flailing.What would you have done? I know what I'd have done but then I've got a lot of life experience. This chap might be in his early 20's.
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