Anti-Social Neighbours Again - Threat to go public idea
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Once again we are blighted with neighbours from hell. Not the first time, previously the process took months years to deal with a previous threat of going public with the issue & the matter got dealt with. So this time a new tactic is required.
I'm asking those familiar with running Facebook groups the best way to make a group with a diary of events. Other neighbours can add to it or those within the group.
What we'd like to be able to do is make it publishable to individuals on an invited basis.
I'm asking those familiar with running Facebook groups the best way to make a group with a diary of events. Other neighbours can add to it or those within the group.
What we'd like to be able to do is make it publishable to individuals on an invited basis.
snorky782 said:
cptsideways said:
More a social landlord problem ie not being dealt with.
To summarise, you had bad neighbours, you've now got new neighbours and don't like them and you've also got a problem with the landlord, who won't live at the address. Taking a long hard look in the mirror might be a good place to help you identify the common person in these neighbour disputes.
cptsideways said:
Once again we are blighted with neighbours from hell. Not the first time, previously the process took months years to deal with a previous threat of going public with the issue & the matter got dealt with. So this time a new tactic is required.
I'm asking those familiar with running Facebook groups the best way to make a group with a diary of events. Other neighbours can add to it or those within the group.
What we'd like to be able to do is make it publishable to individuals on an invited basis.
I'm asking those familiar with running Facebook groups the best way to make a group with a diary of events. Other neighbours can add to it or those within the group.
What we'd like to be able to do is make it publishable to individuals on an invited basis.
it makes life easier for the scrotes as they can't get caught red handed so easily. Also the official neighbours are not the ones doing the dealing, its their associates. Google cuckoo'ing for some enlightenment.I guess you have little experience of living next door to social housing. PS We bought our house 16 years ago 10 years before next door got bought by the local Housing Association, we would like to move away for the obvious reasons but ours & our other neighbours houses are blighted which means financially we currently can't move.
[quote=Who me ?]cptsideways/S10GTA- how many other neighbours have the same problem. Why not join forces, possibly a residents association ( IN EACH AREA) and start waking up local councillor ( to wake up local council housing officials) and county councillor ( to wake up Police) .It might be worth a group of you contacting MP.
With drugs if it's only you and a couple of others ,Police hands are tied, as there's little evidence for a warrant.
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Actually group action appears the way forward, spent much of yesterday door knocking in the street, we are not the only ones effected. There are 5 direct neighbours effected & aware, however age in not on the side of a couple. Several others were unaware but had noticed some things.
Some rather interesting results to say the least, when you bump into the parents of some of the guilty!
We have been down the councillor/MP/PCC route before, it was not what you call a notable reaction. The threat of making it all public did however create some action at the time.
We are aware that the police are useless in such matters, we understand why, still that does not mean they couldn't put a stop to it as soon as it starts.
Very simply the HA just sweep the matter under the carpet & wait for the shorthold tenancy agreements to come up, rinse & repeat. There are a lot of legal powers available to the council/police/HA that simply do not get used in our area. This is the matter we want to chase up publicly & legally if possible.
With drugs if it's only you and a couple of others ,Police hands are tied, as there's little evidence for a warrant.
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Actually group action appears the way forward, spent much of yesterday door knocking in the street, we are not the only ones effected. There are 5 direct neighbours effected & aware, however age in not on the side of a couple. Several others were unaware but had noticed some things.
Some rather interesting results to say the least, when you bump into the parents of some of the guilty!
We have been down the councillor/MP/PCC route before, it was not what you call a notable reaction. The threat of making it all public did however create some action at the time.
We are aware that the police are useless in such matters, we understand why, still that does not mean they couldn't put a stop to it as soon as it starts.
Very simply the HA just sweep the matter under the carpet & wait for the shorthold tenancy agreements to come up, rinse & repeat. There are a lot of legal powers available to the council/police/HA that simply do not get used in our area. This is the matter we want to chase up publicly & legally if possible.
stinkspanner said:
What do you mean by going public? Are you attempting to shame the hell neighbours? Will they care? Or do you mean the HA and will they care?
Bit of both, every one of the HA houses in the street currently has "additional residents" not tenants & these extra residents are the ones usually causing the problems. The HA will not enforce its tenancy agreements they just allow this to go on regardless. If they enforced their tenancy agreements we would have a lot less problems!! Its not rocket science. Currently the HA don't appear to care
ashleyman said:
If its the HA not doing what their job, I'd personally look at moving if I could.
Very tough chances of making an organisation like that do their jobs properly.
The council have powers to take control in such circumstances, however our lot appear to be completely unaware of the powers available to them. Other borough's & counties use these powers successfully. Very tough chances of making an organisation like that do their jobs properly.
Psycho Warren said:
cptsideways said:
I guess you have little experience of living next door to social housing.
Exact;y! Its not easy to tell when you move into an area initially. Not everyone can afford nice houses on a middle class estate, and thanks to the governments "social inclusion" policies, all such "nice" estates built in recent years have to have a proportion of social/scum class housing. Simple fact is where there is social housing, you get a significant minority of tenants who are simply scum.
Not necessarily anything he's done wrong.
If & when we do move out we won't be anywhere near a housing estate that's for sure.
However the council decide which properties get used for what application. Eg general rental, youngsters, ex druggies, ex convicts etc.
Sticking youngsters (17 year olds I kid you not) in a house with a decent size garden that requires maintenance, bordering 3 other neighbours 2 of who'm are retired single ladies seems to us to be a way to generate problems not solve them.
Mr GrimNasty said:
If you try to shame the neighbours you'll just end up on the wrong end of a harassment accusation, which the police WILL happily deal with.
Even if you try to embarrass the authorities you need to be careful, specially if you name individuals, for the same reason.
Don't underestimate how illogical and unjust the law (or rather its implementation) is these days.
It's easier to sanction/threaten an upstanding citizen to terminate complaints, than a feral bit of scum with nothing to lose.
Involve the neighbourhood PC/PCSO from the outset if there is one.
Funny you mentioned this, we have a letter from past ongoings which actually suggests they actively would do this to protect their scum tenants.Even if you try to embarrass the authorities you need to be careful, specially if you name individuals, for the same reason.
Don't underestimate how illogical and unjust the law (or rather its implementation) is these days.
It's easier to sanction/threaten an upstanding citizen to terminate complaints, than a feral bit of scum with nothing to lose.
Involve the neighbourhood PC/PCSO from the outset if there is one.
This time however we would like to involve legal, our house insurance have suggested they would cover legal costs to a point. Are there any good barristers in the house familiar with housing law & vexatious litigants??
Bit of an update:
The current issues only kicked off in the last 3-4 weeks, however it was/is the same type of activities as we had before so we were very familiar with the almost predictable ongoings, though this time there is one thing alarmingly different.
A threat to go public was made early on if the problem didn't get dealt with properly & promptly, we have passed word about that we are doing just that in the hope it filtered down the chain. In fact an investigative journalist is on the case
Word is multiple agencies are currently involved or shall we say on the street as there are 3 other properties in the neighbourhood being dealt with for similar or related issues.
It's fairly apparent the HA have been rather lax in enforcing & policing their tenancy arrangements as we knew all along. Up till now at least.
As anyone who has experienced "neighbours from hell" will know, this sort of stuff can really get you down if its not dealt with. When the current system is so favoured towards those causing the issues. My suggestion would be fight it as publicly as possible.
The current issues only kicked off in the last 3-4 weeks, however it was/is the same type of activities as we had before so we were very familiar with the almost predictable ongoings, though this time there is one thing alarmingly different.
A threat to go public was made early on if the problem didn't get dealt with properly & promptly, we have passed word about that we are doing just that in the hope it filtered down the chain. In fact an investigative journalist is on the case
Word is multiple agencies are currently involved or shall we say on the street as there are 3 other properties in the neighbourhood being dealt with for similar or related issues.
It's fairly apparent the HA have been rather lax in enforcing & policing their tenancy arrangements as we knew all along. Up till now at least.
As anyone who has experienced "neighbours from hell" will know, this sort of stuff can really get you down if its not dealt with. When the current system is so favoured towards those causing the issues. My suggestion would be fight it as publicly as possible.
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