'Operation Snap' - police want motorists' dashcam videos
Discussion
http://www.north-wales.police.uk/news-and-appeals/...
"Ch Insp Darren Wareing, from the force's roads policing unit, said: "If you have footage from a dash cam, your pedal cycle cam or any other source that you feel supports you as a witness to an alleged motoring offence, we want to hear from you.
"Over recent months we have received footage capturing motoring offences including careless and dangerous driving, people on mobile telephones and people being distracted whilst using their smart devices behind the wheel."
"Ch Insp Darren Wareing, from the force's roads policing unit, said: "If you have footage from a dash cam, your pedal cycle cam or any other source that you feel supports you as a witness to an alleged motoring offence, we want to hear from you.
"Over recent months we have received footage capturing motoring offences including careless and dangerous driving, people on mobile telephones and people being distracted whilst using their smart devices behind the wheel."
bigandclever said:
Dim gwerth rhech dafad.
LOL!To be fair its probably fuelled by genuine cases like this absolute clown:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
We have to trust the police to distinguish between 'I didn't like being overtook by a local whilst I was on holiday and happily in a convoy of 12 led by a Stobart or Mansel Davies truck' and nailing absolute reckless drivers like in the video.
bigandclever said:
williamp said:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/n...
He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
That's very different. That's the police operating HGV cabs to record misdemeanours which, while I consider it cheating, is different from me and you filming stuff and sending it in to You've Been He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
La Liga said:
Yes, just like the Stasi.
Except for the independent, open-to-the-public court where you or someone on your behalf can have the person gathering evidence upon you present and questioned to justify their actions against the laws created in a democratically elected Parliament.
I think its mindset creep that causes concern - not the current actual Stasi-ness of where we are today!Except for the independent, open-to-the-public court where you or someone on your behalf can have the person gathering evidence upon you present and questioned to justify their actions against the laws created in a democratically elected Parliament.
InitialDave said:
What we want/need is for people to be educated and understand why a given speed limit is appropriate (on top of it actually being appropriate), and so obey it not because of the fear of being caught, or simply because the law says so, but because it is the correct thing to do.
I think that silliness like hiding in a horsebox actively discourages the above, and - as I believe receiving a letter through the post a week after the fact does, in comparison to a copper having a little chat with you about precisely what the f
k you think you're playing at - it just makes the average person feel indignant and resentful, in no way encouraging them to review their driving or change....
+1 - great common sense post that actually bothers to take account of how best to deal with humans and their human nature. I think that silliness like hiding in a horsebox actively discourages the above, and - as I believe receiving a letter through the post a week after the fact does, in comparison to a copper having a little chat with you about precisely what the f
k you think you're playing at - it just makes the average person feel indignant and resentful, in no way encouraging them to review their driving or change....To be fair you do see some of the clever carrot rather than the dumb stick in a proportion of the more intelligent SAC's that can be quite effective.
Vaud said:
We seem to have lost the education and prevention aspect. I remember the public information films... now they look dated, but I think they were a loss overall. Can't we embrace new media (and given YouTube/Facebook, etc can target very specific demographics) and find a new way of educating people?
Agreed and very well put #2!Rare initiatives like this one really work and actually went viral https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/sep/03/gwent-r... Cost? Only 100 speeding tickets... That's it! Absolute no brainer - especially given the amount of online media consumed these days. And we all remember Think Once, Think Twice Think BIKE! etc dont we? Its not even on the radar these day
The remit of these Speed Camera Partnerships should so be widened to include active positive road safety promotion and education. We are not always best served by their passive sat down activities followed by envelope licking activities! ..
vonhosen said:
Solocle said:
vonhosen said:
Of course there are cameras near schools, what are you talking about?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5939358,-0.36598...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6143509,-0.34007...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5796881,-0.36682...
Not in my neck of the woods. Looks like your LA is more safety oriented than revenue oriented.https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5939358,-0.36598...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6143509,-0.34007...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5796881,-0.36682...
vonhosen said:
Well your scope has been considerably expanded. I've just shown you three more all within a few miles of each other.
& here's another around there too.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6230671,-0.31874...
The point originally being made by Solocle was that they aren't situated in such (high risk) places, only where people are likely to exceed the limit safely (high incidence). The evidence is to the contrary, that is that they are situated in such places as well as where people are, due to the road type, likely to exceed the limit in higher numbers.
If the authorities want to get the most out of cameras placing them in high risk & also in high incidence areas as well would seem to be a sensible tactic.
My experience is quite the opposite I'm afraid - and I do get about a bit & here's another around there too.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6230671,-0.31874...
The point originally being made by Solocle was that they aren't situated in such (high risk) places, only where people are likely to exceed the limit safely (high incidence). The evidence is to the contrary, that is that they are situated in such places as well as where people are, due to the road type, likely to exceed the limit in higher numbers.
If the authorities want to get the most out of cameras placing them in high risk & also in high incidence areas as well would seem to be a sensible tactic.
Maybe your borough is a bit more progressive and safety can come before volume/turnover?I can't think of ONE near a school in a city of 500k. However this one does very nicely for them - and the speeding issue there is largely an academic one (pun intended)! Used to be a 40... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2778395/Br...
vonhosen said:
Well I get about too, work all over the UK & beyond.
As I said not my borough, just an example. Can show you outside that borough too if you like, but I don't realistically think further evidence will alter your mindset though, despite them being the facts (the fact that it's not just where high incidence is likely as claimed, but they are also to be found in high risks areas too).
Just in case.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Varndean+Schoo...
It's all good - l like seeing them in such places. But in this new age of one individual's fact Trumping another's similar truth I'd LOVE to see another pic of a GATSO outside a school in Wales as I honestly haven't seen one. This is why that Pencoed one stood out during a test drive of an AMG 45 from the garage nearby As I said not my borough, just an example. Can show you outside that borough too if you like, but I don't realistically think further evidence will alter your mindset though, despite them being the facts (the fact that it's not just where high incidence is likely as claimed, but they are also to be found in high risks areas too).
Just in case.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Varndean+Schoo...
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 2nd June 17:56
.Back to being a bit more on-topic then... As long as the police can sort the wheat from the chaff, I'm good with Stasi like vigilantes grassing up dangerous drivers! Should I ever have a dashcam I wouldn't hesitate... This is a fabulous case in point why: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/p...
Exaggeration does not prove your 'the lore is the lore; no discussions, end of story and tough' argument. No one here is arguing for selfish free rein in whatever they do. So rewind...
Would that camera on that three lane stretch serve a better purpose outside a school, by the shops, near your road? Yes in several people's opinion. Could it, where currently placed, create additional hazard, unecessary frustration and be a contributory factor in avoidable conflict between vehicles? Yes. Would it do that by shops/school/your gaff? Very unlikely.
I see that as the discussion so it seems pretty valid and isn't about pedal to the metal vroom vroom... Far from it so its silly to dumb it down.
Would that camera on that three lane stretch serve a better purpose outside a school, by the shops, near your road? Yes in several people's opinion. Could it, where currently placed, create additional hazard, unecessary frustration and be a contributory factor in avoidable conflict between vehicles? Yes. Would it do that by shops/school/your gaff? Very unlikely.
I see that as the discussion so it seems pretty valid and isn't about pedal to the metal vroom vroom... Far from it so its silly to dumb it down.
I rest my b case: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/speed... See 26" into the video. Happy to lend a hand shifting that 3 lane one and carting it over 'ere to do some proper good 
Engineer792 said:
And I would suggest that you stop trying to manufacture motives on the part of others to suit your narrative, and instead treat them as equals and try to understand what they're saying.
I agree - a real world, practical approach with roads designed to minimise frustration (and frustration driven risk by the odd clown - we have all seen them haven't we...its quite real...) and (dare I say it) assist safe timely progress would be my preference. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff