Avon and Somerset Police using redlight camera for speeding

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They list a camera as redlight on their website but Work have received a speeding ticket from that camera.

Site no 10100060 tauntondeane a38 chritchard parkway, jct Wordsworth drive, Taunton


Can they do This?

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There website isn't clear, on location they list as a red line hut camera only

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/advice/vehic...

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Riley Blue said:

Good, I have absolutely no sympathy with drivers who speed across a junction, red light jumper or not.

What drivers caught by cameras do you have sympathy for if any, sorry this is pistonheads not brake.

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bigandclever said:

They'll also have a disclaimer for the website somewhere saying "don't rely on the accuracy of the information on this website".

Yes but is there not an obligation to publish accurate information about speed camera sites?

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Ok well there is a 40 mph speed camera on the toneway but the standard 30 sign just before the camera shows no speed camera so have the complied with signage rules for it to be used as a speed cam

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hora said:

You come in here waving your common sense about

Can't remember how long it's been yellow, it was about a year ago the council sold all these cameras to the police for £1.

They then decided their funding gap could be bridged by speed enforcement, looks like they also decided to change this camera to speed enforcement.

I wonder if their signage is compliant.

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rscott said:

This disclaimer on the very link he gave:-


NB: These maps are meant to be a rough guide to the camera location and may not always be 100% exact. Please also note that mobile sites can be up to 2km in length, and a mobile enforcement vehicle is able to park anywhere within the site where it is safe to do so, and may not necessarily park at the same location every time; therefore, we cannot plot a definitive point of the enforcement location.

That wording susgested to me, in relation to a fixed camera is the location is not 100% accurate not the type of camera.

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singlecoil said:

There are no rules about signage for speed cameras.

There is a rule about speeding though...

There are rules if they wish to recover their costs, which they do. Even if they they dont follow them, it does not effect the tickets issued.

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TooMany2cvs said:

Well, if I was nicked by a camera THAT obvious, then I'd certainly deserve everything I got, and I'd take it without whinging.

The driver knew it was a camera and the webiste confirmed it was redlight as it had been for year! No speed camera sign on the stretch so the driver was worried about being caught on a red , not speeding as they stated on their website we was a redlight camera.

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_dobbo_ said:

Are you even thinking about what you're writing?

So a driver speeds past a camera, gets caught, but it's not fair because he thought it was only a red light camera?

I bet if it had been a coach caught speeding in the same place you'd have been posting demanding the coach company was forced to be closed and the owner sent to prison.

The website shows they camera is redlight only, only in the foi section does it say it was reactivated.

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Mr Teddy Bear said:

It's amusing to read this thread and observe supposedly grown men acting like mardy children, because they've been caught breaking the rules and then want to stamp their feet and complain that's 'it's not fair' !

If you can't understand why it's dangerous to speed through that complex junction and by doing so your putting other road users and pedestrians at risk, then you need to retake your test, oh and grow a pair jeez.

says Brake spokesperson

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 27th October 13:16

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surveyor_101 said:

Mr Teddy Bear said:

It's amusing to read this thread and observe supposedly grown men acting like mardy children, because they've been caught breaking the rules and then want to stamp their feet and complain that's 'it's not fair' !

If you can't understand why it's dangerous to speed through that complex junction and by doing so your putting other road users and pedestrians at risk, then you need to retake your test, oh and grow a pair jeez.

says Brake spokesperson

the junction is not considered an accident blackspot, which is supposed to be the criteria for having a speed camera, in area were collisions have been a problem. If speed is so crucial why it it 40mph till just before the camera? if speed was an issue the entire stretch should be a 30. Instead they have used this redlight camera as a way to get a speed camera around normal justification and put it 100 yards from a limit change sign. I can't help but conclude the reason for this is entirely revenue based and not road safety.

I understand the importance of having the redlight cameras on complex junctions.




Indeed the police have never in my 16 years of driving this road carried out mobile speed enforcement on this stretch.

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 27th October 13:16

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surveyor_101 said:

surveyor_101 said:

Mr Teddy Bear said:

It's amusing to read this thread and observe supposedly grown men acting like mardy children, because they've been caught breaking the rules and then want to stamp their feet and complain that's 'it's not fair' !

If you can't understand why it's dangerous to speed through that complex junction and by doing so your putting other road users and pedestrians at risk, then you need to retake your test, oh and grow a pair jeez.

says Brake spokesperson

the junction is not considered an accident blackspot, which is supposed to be the criteria for having a speed camera, in area were collisions have been a problem. If speed is so crucial why it it 40mph till just before the camera? if speed was an issue the entire stretch should be a 30. Instead they have used this redlight camera as a way to get a speed camera around normal justification and put it 100 yards from a limit change sign. I can't help but conclude the reason for this is entirely revenue based and not road safety.

I understand the importance of having the redlight cameras on complex junctions.




Indeed the police have never in my 16 years of driving this road carried out mobile speed enforcement on this stretch and also have no speed camera signage.

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 27th October 13:16

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Type R Tom said:

There were a few between 04-06 but very few in recent years (is the camera working?). If I was to guess I would say it was either linked to those accidents or started off as a traffic light camera which was then upgraded to speeding too.

Actually the answer is on streetview, in 09 and 12 there were no bar makings, they have been added later.

They must of been added in the last 12 months.

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Digby said:

If only they warned everyone of everything speed enforcement related. Millions of drivers would drive more slowly. We can't have that, though..

So enforcement is more important than prevention.

Honestly I know the funding has been cut but I see the crazy uninursed, unlicensed, uninsured shed for 3 weeks driving round town like a nutter delivering takeaways and I have reported it very week, and guess what still jumping red lights and getting away with it. 3 weeks and to takeaways I have reported her working at and she was out again tonight.

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Mr Teddy Bear said:

Your best bet is to get a lift with her then and see how she does it.

Just have a car registered to someone other than yourself and they can't touch you. Only otherwise law abiding drivers.

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tapereel said:

You do realise if you start writing sense you will be termed a troll.

People might slow done even more if they put speed camera signs up along that stretch so people like the driver at work don't think they can speed as it's only a red light camera. I would rather the police prevent an accident with the adauaate signage And correct info on there site than run a stealth camera. That has not prevented any of the collisions were it was placed to.

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TooMany2cvs said:

Perhaps it should, perhaps it shouldn't.

The fact is, though, that it ISN'T a 40. It's a 30. It was a 30 in 2009, with the camera present, according to Streetview. The limit hasn't changed since...

"I didn't think the limit was right" isn't an allowable defence to a charge of exceeding the speed limit. But I'd quite like to hear somebody try it in court.

100 yards before the lights until about 18months ago, it was a 50! When they resurfaced the toneway dual track that had been 50 for years with a low accident rate they changed it to a 40. They changed the signage before the traffic regulation order was even processed! So for months it wasn't even officially a 40.

It has always been 30 a 100 yards before the lights. Most people do more than 30 along here. Themcamera got our driver at 37 so must not clock drivers till 35 plus.

Also all the speed cameras here were switched off in 2013 as the camera partnership closed. The council said they didn't want to run the cameras. The in 2015 the police bought them for £1 and started re opening sites and it looks like they switched this camera then and didn't tell anyone or update their own records.

Edited by surveyor_101 on Friday 28th October 09:58

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No I am saying 40/50 limit then drops and to a 30 and it's just convenient you have 100 yards and then a speed camera and it's no camera sign so it. It a deterant so it's not reducing speed. People are doing more than 30 daily I just must of not gone more than 33/5 through here sing may 2015 as I have not had a ticket. They must be printing money

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The driver has a clean licence and did on speed awareness course in Nov 13 so probably not allowed this time