Failure to disclose driver vs very excessive speeding NIP?

[RWD cossie wil]

As title, not me, but someone I know has received a NIP alleging 116% excess speed captured by a fixed camera, motorway offence....

Question is, is it possible to just fail to disclose & take the points/fine for that offence, or will the excess speed still be followed up as well? There are a number of drivers who could have had access to the vehicle at the time if the offence. The thinking is that the fine/points will be less of an impact than the speeding fine/ban.

No sanctimonious bullst please, we all know it's not big & clever & the offender deserves all they get etc etc, yada yada.....

Edited by RWD cossie wil on Wednesday 16th November 01:59

[RWD cossie wil]

7795 said:

Have I read this wrong or is 100% of the speed limit in a 70mph-70mph so 116% of the speed limit on a motorway 81.2mph? Be gentle...!

50mph zone, 100+ mph...

[RWD cossie wil]

pork911 said:

How many of the potential drivers recall maybe 'creeping over' the limit on that road at that date and time????

Haha as you can imagine there is a bun fight over who was driving. The question asked was one of are you better off jumping before you are pushed? I.e. If no one fesses up, the owner cops the failure to disclose penalty & fine, but failing to identify is not PCOJ as no false admission has been made, surely the burden of proof is on the authorities to prove beyond reasonable doubt who was driving at the time?

With no driver identified, how far would the police be likely to chase it up?

[RWD cossie wil]

pork911 said:

If I was the owner and genuinely didn't know, then at the very least none of them would be driving it anymore! I'd tell the police who all the possible drivers are and invite them to come and question you all. How many drivers are there, company or personal, is it REALLY that difficult to know?

As I said, I'm not involved at all, so no dog in the race for me!

Toomany2CVs, see my post a few pages ago, was 50 limit on motorway, you can do the maths from the first post but nowhere near 150mph..

[RWD cossie wil]

pork911 said:

58 or 108?

Is your question what are the consequences of not knowing who was driving or what are the risks in pretending not to know?

Basically, with the recorded speed I would hazard a guess whoever cops the blame should they be named will get a huge fine & probably a fairly substantial ban?

Would it be worth just refusing to name the driver (not falsely declaring) & the registered keeper copping the failure to identify fine/points?

58mph it is not

[RWD cossie wil]

So, bit of thread closure due...

Offender coughed, 108mph in a 50....

56 day ban, £200 fine plus usual add ons & a fairly hefty legal bill to offset the low fine... all in all not a bad result for the offender?

[RWD cossie wil]

TooMany2cvs said:

RWD cossie wil said:

So, bit of thread closure due...

Offender coughed, 108mph in a 50....

56 day ban, £200 fine plus usual add ons & a fairly hefty legal bill to offset the low fine... all in all not a bad result for the offender?

I presume his attempts to duck responsibility didn't come up in court?

No attempt was made...

[RWD cossie wil]

agtlaw said:

RWD cossie wil said:

So, bit of thread closure due...

Offender coughed, 108mph in a 50....

56 day ban, £200 fine plus usual add ons & a fairly hefty legal bill to offset the low fine... all in all not a bad result for the offender?

Could have been slightly worse. I would have said to expect 1-3 months but most likely 2-3 months. Looks like he declared a fairly low income for his fine.

How much was his "hefty legal bill?"

£1500 ish

[RWD cossie wil]

agtlaw said:

If the case was prepared on a guilty plea basis then your friend had his pants pulled down with that fee. Unless it were prepared for trial then that's a lot of cash for very little work.

Barrister attended court, but in general the only winners in the British legal system seem to be the lawyers!