A poem for those that love speed limits
Discussion
Anon said:
To laugh is to risk appearing the fool
To weep is to risk appearing sentimental
To reach out to others is to risk involvement
To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self
To place your ideas, your dreams before a crowd is to risk their loss
To love is to risk not being loved in return
To live is to risk dying
To hope is to risk despair
To try is to risk failure
But risks must be taken,
because the greatest hazard in life is to do nothing.
The person who risks nothing,
does nothing, has nothing, and is nothing.
They may avoid suffering and sorrow,
but they cannot learn, feel, change, grow, love, live.
Chained by their attitudes, they are a slave,
they forfeited their freedom.
Only the person who risks can be free
I saw this on a wall when I was working in a school today and somehow it just screemed out at me to be posted in SP&L... Discuss
vonhosen said:You might not be free, but I am
But if we all comply without thought we are not free... And if man isn't free then he is merely existing
None of us are free to do whatever we like in life.
(We have to comply with thought, because even driving at a safe speed under the limit requires care.)
You'll never guess how fast I went today with the top down, the music blaring and the sun shining in my face... And I'm certainly not going to tell you... But it was definitely very liberating.
I am free to choose whether I comply with the law or I don't. Today, like every other day of my driving life I chose not to.
It was safe, but it wasn't legal. Know what, the fact that it's illegal makes it even more fun.
I'm bored with argueing along the lines of "I drive fast, but it's all done eminently sensibly and within a system" Yes, I've had advanced motorcycle training, but I drive fast because it feels good and because I want to.
vonhosen said:Caught you before the edit VH
But if we all comply without thought we are not free... And if man isn't free then he is merely existing
None of us are free to do whatever we like in life.
(We have to comply with thought, because even driving at a safe speed under the limit requires care.)
You'll never guess how fast I went today with the top down, the music blaring and the sun shining in my face... And I'm certainly not going to tell you... But it was definitely very liberating.
I am free to choose whether I comply with the law or I don't. Today, like every other day of my driving life I chose not to.
It was safe, but it wasn't legal. Know what, the fact that it's illegal makes it even more fun.
I'm bored with argueing along the lines of "I drive fast, but it's all done eminently sensibly and within a system" Yes, I've had advanced motorcycle training, but I drive fast because it feels good and because I want to.
You're right, you have the choice to break the law or not.
What you don't have a choice over though, is whether you are going to get prosecuted & what happens should you be convicted.
You should try the preview button, it's great! 
And I do actually, it's called observation, the very skill that let's me drive fast while remaining safe and having fun. Add observation to a decemated trafpol and a scameraship that tells me where it's going to be and I pretty much have free reign to enjoy my freedom... Sure, a couple of roads are off limits for having fun, but the B roads, they're unpoliced I tell ya!
vonhosen said:You've bloody edited it again
But if we all comply without thought we are not free... And if man isn't free then he is merely existing
None of us are free to do whatever we like in life.
(We have to comply with thought, because even driving at a safe speed under the limit requires care.)
You'll never guess how fast I went today with the top down, the music blaring and the sun shining in my face... And I'm certainly not going to tell you... But it was definitely very liberating.
I am free to choose whether I comply with the law or I don't. Today, like every other day of my driving life I chose not to.
It was safe, but it wasn't legal. Know what, the fact that it's illegal makes it even more fun.
I'm bored with argueing along the lines of "I drive fast, but it's all done eminently sensibly and within a system" Yes, I've had advanced motorcycle training, but I drive fast because it feels good and because I want to.
You're right, you have the choice to break the law or not.
What you don't have a choice over though, is whether you are going to get prosecuted & what happens should you be convicted.
And I do actually, it's called observation, the very skill that let's me drive fast while remaining safe and having fun. Add observation to a decemated trafpol and a scameraship that tells me where it's going to be and I pretty much have free reign to enjoy my freedom... Sure, a couple of roads are off limits for having fun, but the B roads, they're unpoliced I tell ya!
They're not everywhere, because I use a lot of them (in a lot of different unmarked cars, which are not always your usual Police car fodder)
>> Edited by vonhosen on Friday 14th April 23:02
Preview man, preview! Hey, we've even got a Y reg Cavalier on my patch... Still drives using "the system" though
Harder to spot, but not impossible... Always always check the driver, their age and sex gives clues to how they may react... And occasionally their occupation.vonhosen said:Ahem, IIRC pregnant women can completely legally
None of us are free to do whatever we like in life...
I would dispute that, old boy...
I like to visit the toilet, therefore I shall......
Yes, but legally you can't just drop your strides where ever you like can you ?
>> Edited by vonhosen on Friday 14th April 22:30
Oi, this is about poetry and the freedom of the soul, not simple numeric limits I drive fast because I enjoy it and telling me it's wrong when I can see for myself that it isn't merely enforces my desire to do it. Deristrict the roads and chances are I'm more likely to slow down... Although I still doubt it
I drive fast because I enjoy it and telling me it's wrong when I can see for myself that it isn't merely enforces my desire to do it. Deristrict the roads and chances are I'm more likely to slow down... Although I still doubt it vonhosen said:Pot and kettle
Oi, this is about poetry and the freedom of the soul, not simple numeric limits
I have no doubt that self gratification is what it is about for you.
Been done before and I'm man enough to be tested again...
Constructive criticism is always a good thing, it's good to have your weak points picked up on. I've been observed by serving police motorcyclists on the advanced course (And I passed) Then again, we were marked down for not making adequate progress in NSL's in those days. If an overtake existed and you didn't make it, you failed.
I suspect you come from a different school of thinking.
Constructive criticism is always a good thing, it's good to have your weak points picked up on. I've been observed by serving police motorcyclists on the advanced course (And I passed
) Then again, we were marked down for not making adequate progress in NSL's in those days. If an overtake existed and you didn't make it, you failed. I suspect you come from a different school of thinking.
vonhosen said:
It is still our judgements actions/inactions that take something from being safe to dangerous or vice versa. It is our limitations that are the important ones around all of this. The safety system can only try to help our clumsiness & is next to no good if people have no understanding of them anyway.
The safety systems are as much of the problem as the cure. They make people only *think* they are better/safer than they are.
There are certain cars I love training in, because they are not cosseting, they are not easy to set up for bends, *you* have to show the effort & skill. If you do it right they reward you, if you don't they punish you. Drivers can't hide behind the nature of a cosseting car that merely serves to hide their inherent flaws, flaws that will only then come to the fore in a moment of weaakness. You can tell them they are doing it wrong, but they don't really believe it until they feel it for themselves.
Ever seen anyone run into the back of something & say it was brake failure that caused the collision (then go on to describe pedal feel for ABS kicking in ?) Was it the ABS that caused the collision or their lack of OAP, or not being able to stop within the distance they can see to be clear ?
Probably your best post so far IMO VH, you actually demonstrate an understanding of advanced driving, something I am now certain you understand.
Earlier we touched on training, and that was the mindset behind mine. We were taught to make good and safe progress once we met with the NSL. If an overtake existed and we were hesitant, we were marked down, but if we failed to anticipate a forseeable hazard, we were marked down even harder.
Speeds were high, but safe. The one thing we were taught above and beyond everything else was judgement. You will make mistakes, but learning from them before they bite is the basis of learning a system of driving that will keep you out of trouble. How to watch the apex closing and opening using the kerbstones, what the occupant of the vehicle, and even it's type can tell you. What the usual hazards are for any given road type. How to read the white line correctly. What the roadside buildings can tell you about expected levels of grip.
These are just some of the things that are truly important and take safe driving beyond blind limit compliance. If your role is as I suspect then you posess the mindset to impart the type of information that will aid in keeping drivers safe. Why not use this window of opportunity to pass some of that information on.
Discussing limits isn't going to assist anyone in avoiding potential accidents, discussing advanced driving techniques just may.
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