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Last night we had to stop two squaddies at 3am. Without going into detail there was a call about 2 drunken chaps making a nuisance of themselves, they were found fitting the description and so they were politely stopped.
Now they wee both drunk and said they were squaddies. After a brief intoduction it was apparent that they were drunk & boisterous and not worthy of much police action, and our intention (which is what we did) was have a quiet friendly word with them, gain a little rapport, just ask where they had been e.t.c. and let them on their way.
But despite being as laid back and friendly as we could have been, this turned into 45 minutes of fighting, all at their inititation. We got instantly abused, screamed at, insulted, the usual "you f*** maggots, you aint been there you aint been there - we protect you families whist you sleep at night, this i show you repay us, f this f that scream scream scream". One had to be cuffed he was being so excitable, whilst the other was constantly stepping up tpo us poiinting and shouting in our faces, and this ended in him slapping my colleauge in the face.
Now I have nothing but repsect for squaddies and what they do but you really should have seen the behaviour of these two last night. All I was thinking was that it was one of those moments you wish you could record and play it back to them a wek later when they were sober and calm. I find it hard to recall in 7 years of policing a similar example of people making an absolute shameful *it of themselves, and they made our job extremely difficult and unpleasant. I have dealt with a squaddie previously and similar circumstances applied.
So my question is, why do they seem to have such a problem with cops? Their behaviour made it obvious they just could not and would not be told, and because of what they did the thought they had the right to do whatever they wanted to anybody. I walked away from it all believeng that they really could not cope with their roles (signals apparently) and that this display had been evidence of them mentally trying to get over what they had seen out in Afghanistan (which s somewhere they mentioned they had been). We could not have been more patient, we gave them warning upon warning and oppurtunity upon oppurtunity to walk away, but they just got more and more aggressive and there is only so much pushing around you are prepared to take.
I just want some enlightment thats all, and I am not having a go at anyone on the forces, as I say I certainly would not want to do it and have respect for what they do. But any I deal with so far seem "uncontrollable".
Now they wee both drunk and said they were squaddies. After a brief intoduction it was apparent that they were drunk & boisterous and not worthy of much police action, and our intention (which is what we did) was have a quiet friendly word with them, gain a little rapport, just ask where they had been e.t.c. and let them on their way.
But despite being as laid back and friendly as we could have been, this turned into 45 minutes of fighting, all at their inititation. We got instantly abused, screamed at, insulted, the usual "you f*** maggots, you aint been there you aint been there - we protect you families whist you sleep at night, this i show you repay us, f this f that scream scream scream". One had to be cuffed he was being so excitable, whilst the other was constantly stepping up tpo us poiinting and shouting in our faces, and this ended in him slapping my colleauge in the face.
Now I have nothing but repsect for squaddies and what they do but you really should have seen the behaviour of these two last night. All I was thinking was that it was one of those moments you wish you could record and play it back to them a wek later when they were sober and calm. I find it hard to recall in 7 years of policing a similar example of people making an absolute shameful *it of themselves, and they made our job extremely difficult and unpleasant. I have dealt with a squaddie previously and similar circumstances applied.
So my question is, why do they seem to have such a problem with cops? Their behaviour made it obvious they just could not and would not be told, and because of what they did the thought they had the right to do whatever they wanted to anybody. I walked away from it all believeng that they really could not cope with their roles (signals apparently) and that this display had been evidence of them mentally trying to get over what they had seen out in Afghanistan (which s somewhere they mentioned they had been). We could not have been more patient, we gave them warning upon warning and oppurtunity upon oppurtunity to walk away, but they just got more and more aggressive and there is only so much pushing around you are prepared to take.
I just want some enlightment thats all, and I am not having a go at anyone on the forces, as I say I certainly would not want to do it and have respect for what they do. But any I deal with so far seem "uncontrollable".
Yep - I know, and I have seen worse, and I am not saying it is just squaddies. But I would have thought there should be an element of comradery between certain types of people, or at least some understanding, i.e firwman, cops, army, navy, paramedics e.t.c.
I just can't see why "proffesionals" who should know better would be so difficult. They weren't rolling drunk at all, they could walk and talk fine, so we are not talking inebriated here. These two just wanted trouble, period.
I just can't see why "proffesionals" who should know better would be so difficult. They weren't rolling drunk at all, they could walk and talk fine, so we are not talking inebriated here. These two just wanted trouble, period.
esselte said:
Dizeee said:
Yep - I know, and I have seen worse, and I am not saying it is just squaddies. But I would have thought there should be an element of comradery between certain types of people, or at least some understanding, i.e firwman, cops, army, navy, paramedics e.t.c.
I just can't see why "proffesionals" who should know better would be so difficult. They weren't rolling drunk at all, they could walk and talk fine, so we are not talking inebriated here. These two just wanted trouble, period.
Professionals..hmmmmm... Without wishing to insult anyone here they are professional fighters.Could that explain any of the attitude?I just can't see why "proffesionals" who should know better would be so difficult. They weren't rolling drunk at all, they could walk and talk fine, so we are not talking inebriated here. These two just wanted trouble, period.
The RMP were involved yes. I dont want to give away too much as obviously I am a bit tied as to details I can give. They were both "arrested" however by the RMP and we were told they would be fined in the morning. We took them back to barracks with the RMP.
Thats just it though, we did use our discretion, all of it... but these two just seemed to want to take on the world no matter who you were.
Thats just it though, we did use our discretion, all of it... but these two just seemed to want to take on the world no matter who you were.
Thanks for the replies - some interesting posts and as I say I am not tarring all MOD with the same brush. I had a certain empathy for them though, but at the same time we all lost all respect for them based on their wholly disgusting behaviour towards us.
The police is a funny job - I thought when I joined I would be respected, lol, I now know how it all works. I am entirely grateful to it for opening my eyes to the real world, and what people are really like, however I don't think I would recommend it to my kids. Ironically you can be treated alot worse from within than when you are out on patrol - but thats another story... I still enjoy it for now and so on and so forth...
The police is a funny job - I thought when I joined I would be respected, lol, I now know how it all works. I am entirely grateful to it for opening my eyes to the real world, and what people are really like, however I don't think I would recommend it to my kids. Ironically you can be treated alot worse from within than when you are out on patrol - but thats another story... I still enjoy it for now and so on and so forth...
iLiekCarz said:
Dizeee, next time involve the RMP.
Where I lived in Warminster, you'd see the RMP patroling the streets almost every friday/saturday night, due to the high military presence in Wiltshire, especially Warminster.
They were involved - however were extremely reluctant to take any action. Where I lived in Warminster, you'd see the RMP patroling the streets almost every friday/saturday night, due to the high military presence in Wiltshire, especially Warminster.
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