Legal help needed please - Legal Pressed Alloy Number Plates
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Im a member of a local modified car club down here in Plymouth and Me, like lots of others, have bought some Pressed Alloy No plates from our local branch of Carnoisseur (National car styling chain).
I like them as they look a bit more in touch with the age of my 81 Corolla and others like them as they are the closest thing to "Euro" style plates that are deemed to be legal.
The plates are supplied to Carnoisseur by Dubmeister who are a well known VW specialist in the UK, and in turn the Alloy blanks used are send directly from Germany and are from the same manufacturers that supply the european wide used plates.
These plates are sold through both Carnoisseur and Dubmeister as "UK road legal plates" and contain all the relivent makers stamps, post codes and BS numbers!
http://www.dubmeister.co.uk/
Here is a pic of my own pressed plates on my car.......
As you can see the letter type and spacing is correct and in the bottom corners all the relivent information and BS numbers are stamped!
HOWEVER after all this, some of the people locally with these plates have been having problems with the police about them! There have been several times where people are getting pulled over and fines issued due to apparently "having non conforming number plates fitted", and even after showing the police officers documents stating that they are "UK Street Legal" they still issue the fines anyway!!!
The local Branch of Carnoisseur is looking into this, however they themselves (the supplier) have not been approached buy the police or the DVLA to conferm the legalitys of these plates!!??
Ive had the plates on my car for months without any problems and will continue to use them until I am officially told that they are not legal.
Here is the thread on my local car club........... http://www.street-stylers-southwest.co.uk/forum/sh...
Can anyone help with any advice on here please so I can relay it back to my local forum?
Cheers, Scott
I like them as they look a bit more in touch with the age of my 81 Corolla and others like them as they are the closest thing to "Euro" style plates that are deemed to be legal.
The plates are supplied to Carnoisseur by Dubmeister who are a well known VW specialist in the UK, and in turn the Alloy blanks used are send directly from Germany and are from the same manufacturers that supply the european wide used plates.
These plates are sold through both Carnoisseur and Dubmeister as "UK road legal plates" and contain all the relivent makers stamps, post codes and BS numbers!
http://www.dubmeister.co.uk/
Here is a pic of my own pressed plates on my car.......
As you can see the letter type and spacing is correct and in the bottom corners all the relivent information and BS numbers are stamped!
HOWEVER after all this, some of the people locally with these plates have been having problems with the police about them! There have been several times where people are getting pulled over and fines issued due to apparently "having non conforming number plates fitted", and even after showing the police officers documents stating that they are "UK Street Legal" they still issue the fines anyway!!!
The local Branch of Carnoisseur is looking into this, however they themselves (the supplier) have not been approached buy the police or the DVLA to conferm the legalitys of these plates!!??
Ive had the plates on my car for months without any problems and will continue to use them until I am officially told that they are not legal.
Here is the thread on my local car club........... http://www.street-stylers-southwest.co.uk/forum/sh...
Can anyone help with any advice on here please so I can relay it back to my local forum?
Cheers, Scott
Edited by UNCLE SILVIA on Thursday 20th November 11:42
Nigel Worc's said:
Jesus wept, the war on motorists keeps on going !
Note: From 1st November 2008 we are prohibited from supplying showplates to UK customers with a plate containing a UK registration number.
Please contact us for further details
These plates are NOT sold as show plates but as "UK ROAD LEGAL NUMBER PLATES"Note: From 1st November 2008 we are prohibited from supplying showplates to UK customers with a plate containing a UK registration number.
Please contact us for further details
The "SHOW PLATES" are contained in a seperate order form on the Dubmiester site!!
Nigel Worc's said:
Just checked where I get my plates from (nothing dodgy, I just like deciding how I will display my legal font number).
They seem to be still running
http://www.fancyplates.com/
Be carefull........ MOST of the plates on there are deamed to be "SHOW PLATES"They seem to be still running
http://www.fancyplates.com/
Even a different colour border or logo can make a plate illigal!!
Edited by UNCLE SILVIA on Thursday 20th November 11:40
plasticpig said:
That plate dosent look like they will pass BS AU 145d to me. They may be stamped with that but it looks like they will fail on the reflectivity test. IIRC there is only one manufacture of yellow reflective material that meets BS AU 145d and thats 3M.
The plates are fully reflective and are the same material used on all european pressed plates as they come from the same supplier in Germany!Ive had lots of totally legal plastic plates made up over the years with the reflective material being made by lots of various materials suppliers!
Ive just looked at my HALFORDS made plates, which have to be totally legal (I know as I work there) and the reflective sheeting called NIKKALITE and is made by NIPPON CARBIDE INDUSTRIES CO, INC.
Edited by UNCLE SILVIA on Thursday 20th November 11:54
UpTheIron said:
UNCLE SILVIA said:
The local Branch of Carnoisseur is looking into this, however they themselves (the supplier) have not been approached buy the police or the DVLA to conferm the legalitys of these plates!!??
But have Carnoisseur done anything to confirm their marketing claim that they are road legal?UNCLE SILVIA said:
The plates are fully reflective and are the same material used on all european pressed plates as they come from the same supplier in Germany!
What meets the relevant standards in other European countries may not be of any relevance here.However, I am defending ourselves, the users of these plates, as why should we get fined due to being sold something we were told to be "COMPLETELY UK LEGAL" by a reputable national company?
Surely the fines should be directed to the suppliers or even the manufactures of these plates "IF" they are said to be Legal but "OFFICIALLY" deamed to be illigal!!??
peterguk V6 KWK said:
UNCLE SILVIA said:
Surely the fines should be directed to the suppliers or even the manufactures of these plates "IF" they are said to be Legal but "OFFICIALLY" deamed to be illigal!!??
Why? If you fit them and use them on the public highway, you're the one at fault.On the other hand, if it's also an offence to supply, that's a different matter.
If they are deamed to be illegal in the end surely thats false advetising on their behalf and we are the innocent partys??
For example........If you bought an E-marked headlight from a pattern parts supplier, would you still check it out to see if it really was still legal to use even though it has the E-mark on it?? Course you wouldnt, you would just fit it!
Well its the same with these plates as they have all the correct markings to make them legal and we were also told they were by the supplier! What more can we do??
Nigel Worc's said:
I guess you have, but I'll ask anyway !
Have you tried talikng to the officers concerned, or if they are being total t
ts, their supervisory officers ?
This is what happened at the time of the pulling......Have you tried talikng to the officers concerned, or if they are being total t
ts, their supervisory officers ?45_CB - Street stylers said:
Since the start of november number plate laws have changed.... however I was still lead to believe these ones were legal - police are starting to bring a system were points can be given
I showed the traffic cop the BS number, the name and postcode printed where they were made and that there reflective and sold /advertised to me as legal blah blah blah and he basically said there not a flush plate and the only pressed plates that are legal are for pre 1972 vehicles.
Your allowed a normal plate or one with a GB sign on the left hand side... NOTHING ELSE
He suggested I go back to carnoisseur and demand my money back on them to pay my fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He didnt get a fine then as the police officer got a call out, but has since been pulled again and the fine given!I showed the traffic cop the BS number, the name and postcode printed where they were made and that there reflective and sold /advertised to me as legal blah blah blah and he basically said there not a flush plate and the only pressed plates that are legal are for pre 1972 vehicles.
Your allowed a normal plate or one with a GB sign on the left hand side... NOTHING ELSE
He suggested I go back to carnoisseur and demand my money back on them to pay my fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He has stated all the facts about the plate to the Police but they dont want to know as of yet!
He has contacted Carnoisseur and they have shown him documents they have stating the legality of the plate to which I believe he now has a copy!
Admittidly he does have a prominant number plate of "45 CB" but it is a legal private number with correct spacing which he has had for years!
Edited by UNCLE SILVIA on Thursday 20th November 12:48
Nigel Worc's said:
Sorry, I just thought.....its so obvious.
Either a local mot station or vosa depot, that'll sort it one way or the other for you.
Ive asked several MOT inspectors and they ALL have no problems with them!!Either a local mot station or vosa depot, that'll sort it one way or the other for you.
However, Ive often found what an MOT inspector says can be completely different to what the Police say!?!?!?!
Why is this country so confusing??????????????????????????????
Edited by UNCLE SILVIA on Thursday 20th November 13:30
Nigel Worc's said:
Because SOME police officers seem to be forgetting what their job is and they think they are god.
A vosa depot, where the trucks are tested, they inspect vehicles for a living, and will have more knowledge than a non specialised copper.
Ill look into the VOSA thing for him!!A vosa depot, where the trucks are tested, they inspect vehicles for a living, and will have more knowledge than a non specialised copper.
Cheers
THE PLATES ARE OFFICIALLY LEGAL!!!!
Quote from Carnoisseur in Plymouth............
Quote from Carnoisseur in Plymouth............
Carnoisseur said:
Greetings,
I have remained quiet on the forum until I was in a better position to resolve the issues your all having with Devon & Cornwall Constabulary.
Obviously, like you I am annoyed at the mis-information that is being given and circulated.
I have spoken to the Crime and Compliance Department at the DVLA and for those of you that receive a HORT1 and/or fine could you either PM me the Police officer's details along with your Name, Address & Vehicle Registration Mark and I will get the DVLA to speak to the Pc involved and have your fine cancelled, in order that you do not need to appeal this in court.
The DVLA are going to speak to the Section Commanders at Traffic and advise them that they are fining you all for LEGAL plates, so hopefully this will not become a regular occurrence.
In the meantime I will Email Leeroy a .pdf letter that you can print off and keep in your cars or you can Email me to receive a copy directly. My mobile and store numbers are below in case you wish to speak to me. If you are pulled over have the Pc contact me directly.
Please be assured that any number plates supplied by me are FULLY LEGAL and compliant.
Cheers,
Andy
Carnoisseur Plymouth
T: 01752 ****** | M: 07552 ****** | Email: ******************.com
I have remained quiet on the forum until I was in a better position to resolve the issues your all having with Devon & Cornwall Constabulary.
Obviously, like you I am annoyed at the mis-information that is being given and circulated.
I have spoken to the Crime and Compliance Department at the DVLA and for those of you that receive a HORT1 and/or fine could you either PM me the Police officer's details along with your Name, Address & Vehicle Registration Mark and I will get the DVLA to speak to the Pc involved and have your fine cancelled, in order that you do not need to appeal this in court.
The DVLA are going to speak to the Section Commanders at Traffic and advise them that they are fining you all for LEGAL plates, so hopefully this will not become a regular occurrence.
In the meantime I will Email Leeroy a .pdf letter that you can print off and keep in your cars or you can Email me to receive a copy directly. My mobile and store numbers are below in case you wish to speak to me. If you are pulled over have the Pc contact me directly.
Please be assured that any number plates supplied by me are FULLY LEGAL and compliant.
Cheers,
Andy
Carnoisseur Plymouth
T: 01752 ****** | M: 07552 ****** | Email: ******************.com
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