PH Forza 6 Touring Cars championship

[ajprice]

I have the beginnings of a car setup and rules for a touring car championship, but after buying a load of cars and upgrading them, the PI and power limits aren't quite there. So I'll put what I've got as an idea for the PH massive to fine tune:

Having the FM5 BTCC as a starting point http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


Updated Regs 11/10/15

Race aero (adjustable front/rear, Forza or manufacturer adjustable aero is fine)
Race suspension
Race transmission geared to 160mph maximum top speed
Race tyres
Roll cage
2600lb minimum weight
265 max tyre width
18”, 19" or 20” wheels, lowest ride height and touring car/racing paint job for the looks
Max power 360bhp
Max PI A620
FWD, RWD or AWD
No engine, drive or aspiration conversions

Body styles: Saloons, hatchbacks, estates, hatch or saloon based coupes (no Nissan Silvia, BRZ/GT86 etc)


A few things I've picked up on from building up random cars:
• Mercedes 190E Evo II standard rear wing is adjustable aero, there's no Forza aero for it.
• Alfa 155 rear wings are all adjustable except Mattig, and look like the touring car wings, there's an Alfa adjustable front bumper too.
• VW Scirocco R also has VW adjustable aero
• Not all cars can fit 19" wheels, so thats why it's 18-20”.

An updated list of cars

Acura Integra
Acura RSX
Alfa Giulietta
Alfa 155
Audi RS2
Audi RS3 Sportback
Audi S3 Sedan
Audi S4 2004
Audi TT
BMW M235i
BMW 1M
BMW M3 1991
BMW M3 1997
BMW M3 2005
Dodge SRT4 ACR
Ford Focus ST 2013
Ford Focus RS 2009
Ford Focus RS 2003
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS500
Honda Civic Si 2014
Honda Civic Type R 2007
Honda Civic Type R 2004
Hyundai Veloster Turbo
Mazda 3 2010
Mercedes 190E Evo II
Peugeot 308GTi
Renault Megane RS250
Scion TC
Vauxhall Astra Tech Line
Vauxhall Astra VXR
VW Golf R 2010
VW Golf R 2014
VW Golf R32
VW Golf VR6 1998
VW Golf GTi 16v Mk2
VW Corrado
VW Scirocco R
Volvo 850
Volvo S60 Polestar


The last few I’m not sure on:

Eagle Talon/Mitsubishi Eclipse: Technically they can fit the regs, and they have raced in US race series, but I don’t know much about them, are they saloon based (so ok for this) ?
Civic Type R 1997: I tried building one, its iffy for the 2600lb minimum, has anyone got one to fit the regs?
Honda Prelude Si - Its not saloon based (as far as I know its not Civic or Accord based is it?)
Toyota Celicas - They have been in rallying with Lancia, Mitsubishi and Subaru. In this or out, don't know why but I'm not sure?


Dismissed from the original list because they were rally cars, needed conversions, were RWD Japanese coupes or not saloon based.

Alfa GTV (with conversions)
Lancia Delta Integrale
All Mitsubishi Evo
Mitsubishi Galant
Nissan Silvia Spec R 2000
Nissan 240SX
Nissan Silvia Club K
All Subaru

Edited by ajprice on Saturday 17th October 13:11

[ajprice]

The fuzzy bits still need tweaking, there are people on here who have done these before and know how to build cars and set the regs properly. All suggestions welcome, especially for FWD/RWD/AWD and conversions to make things level. Maybe FWD has a higher PI or something?

[ajprice]

Answering my own question mark about the Audi TT. The 2010 TT RS is a no go, the 2015 TTS is possible, but has standard 20" 255 tyres. Change the tyre rules to allow bigger and wider tyres?

Tyres 255 Max, 18-20" diameter

[ajprice]

No idea on the lobby settings, I've always joined others, usually Great Cornholio / Evil Homer

[ajprice]

Thanks Luke and Andy for doing that, I knew that the cars I built were all between A600-A650, I didn't know where the best limit was within that. To de fuzz those bits then:

Max power 360bhp
Max PI A620
Tyres max width 255, 18-20" diameter

Leave drive and conversions open?

[ajprice]

Updated rules in the original post, taking into account what's been said.

PI is A620

Tyres are max 20" and 265 width now. The Audi TT has 20" standard wheels and the BMW 1M has 265 rear tyres.

I'm fine with saloons, hatchbacks, estates and saloon/hatch based coupes like Corrado, M235i, etc and agree with the point about the Japanese RWD stuff. Not sure on the Celicas.

Alfa, Audi, Honda/Acura, BMW, Ford, Mazda, Mercedes, Peugeot, Renault, Toyota, Vauxhall, VW and Volvo have all been in BTCC

Of the others, Dodge Neon, Scion TC, Eagle Talon/Mitsubishi Eclipse have been in US based series.

[ajprice]

Any preferences on whether to include the Talon, Eclipse, 97 Type R, Prelude or Celicas? Is anyone using them anyway? Are they st?

Once they are in or out, i think the things are set.

[ajprice]

It's a good job there aren't any 2 seaters in the list then

[ajprice]

Doh I missed the S3 Sedan, added to the OP now.
Double Doh! Also added the Volvo S60 Polestar.

(If there are any other cars I've missed completely from the list let us know )

Edited by ajprice on Monday 12th October 22:20

[ajprice]

Driven a few cars around Catalunya National tonight, as a 3 laps in a car and note the fastest lap to see what's what. No tuning yet, just the upgrades at stock settings, I'll tweak the settings once I'm settled on something, but I know I won't be driving a RWD car, BMWs were way too tail happy for me . And yes the Alfa 155 was slow for me too.

I've got a 2 second difference between the good and bad so far (not counting BMWs). FWD cars have varying amounts of understeer (Astra Tech Line was the worst to get to turn), not decided on FWD or 4WD, so I'll try some more out tomorrow.

[ajprice]

kowalski655 said:

I would love to get involved too-GT Kowalski655

Someone has to be last

Strongest cars in the league, holding up all the other cars above us

[ajprice]

Who's settled on their car? I've driven a few more tonight and I have a shortlist. I haven't driven everything, but so far the S3 Sedan, Escort Cosworth and Civic Si are possibles.

P.S. I've added the S3 Sportback into the list, another one is missed!

[ajprice]

My gamer tag is: Ade76 PH

[ajprice]

Tam_Mullen said:

The gearing to 160, is that a max/min of 160 or a it has to be geared to 160 to make it a bit fairer?

I've built a good wee EsCos that handles on rails but due to only having 315ish Hp no matter what I do with the gearing I can only ever max at the high 140s low 150s

Looking back at the FM5 rules in the link, its 160mph max top speed. I'll update the OP.

I'm finding the same, top speed on the couple of cars im trying (still haven't decided) according to the tune setup I'm putting in is around 150-155. For now I'm setting the gearing for the highest top speed, then lowering the aero to get 160 or as close as I can to it. I'll fiddle later after a few laps to see if more aero or higher speed is better.

Edited by ajprice on Saturday 17th October 15:42

[ajprice]

Ive hardly been on the xbox for a week, but I have got a half painted Integra and a bunch of friend requests to pick up . One thing I do need to find out is the lobby system in fm6, and lobbies in general, unless anyone else knows how to do the hosting bit?

[ajprice]

ajprice said:

Ive hardly been on the xbox for a week, but I have got a half painted Integra and a bunch of friend requests to pick up . One thing I do need to find out is the lobby system in fm6, and lobbies in general, unless anyone else knows how to do the hosting bit?

I still have a half painted Integra. Other things have been happening and I won't be able to sort this myself. So if anyone else knows what they are doing with championships and hosting, go for it and have some fun! Sorry for backing myself out of what I started, but do keep it going.