Air Quality Consultation - Help to keep Classics in London

Air Quality Consultation - Help to keep Classics in London

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stephendell

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Tuesday 19th July 2016
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EDIT THE SECOND CONSULATION IS NOW ONLINE

TO SAVE NEW VISITORS TO THIS THREAD HAVING TO READ THROUGH TO THE END

Well this is getting more serious now.

The second consultation is on line and the proposal is to extend the ULEZ to the North & South circular roads and bring it in early.

Well apparently 7/10 Londoners are in favour of this!! They obviously all want to buy new cars. I cannot believe this is representative of those that actually live in the proposed new zone as even the western extension of the existing congestion charge was strongly opposed.

If you still want to be able to drive an older pre-2007 petrol or pre-2016 diesel within the North & South Circular roads please complete this survey and oppose the ULEZ extension now.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-q...



ORIGINAL POST BELOW

If you are not impressed with the new Mayors Ultra Low Emission Zone proposals for London, for example you might live within the North and South circular roads and are worried about the proposed ULEZ extension or you would still like the opportunity to drive your classic car (or indeed any petrol car pre-2006) within central London you only have until 29th July 2016 to give your opinion.

This consultation has not been widely publicised. You will find the link here:

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/ulez/...

There are a few questions at the start of the consultation which would appear to be designed to add weight to how seriously your opinion is taken depending on how informed you are.

To help you give more informed answers:

If you would like to know what the air quality is like in your area visit this link: http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/PublicEpiso...

If you would like to know the breakdown of pollution sources for central London please look here: http://cleanerairforlondon.org.uk/londons-air/air-...

Edited by stephendell on Tuesday 19th July 18:01


Edited by stephendell on Tuesday 18th October 00:59

stephendell

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Tuesday 19th July 2016
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A spokesman for the Mayors office says there are NO plans for exemption for classics but they are prepared to listen to feedback from the classic car industry.

In any event the current rolling 40 years only allows pre 1976 and post 2006 petrol so that's a whole heap of modern classics and other performance cars that will not be allowed without penalty.

stephendell

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Friday 22nd July 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
stephendell said:
A spokesman for the Mayors office says there are NO plans for exemption for classics
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/check-your-vehicle?intcmp=32646
[quote]Historic vehicles

All vehicles that have a 'historic' vehicle tax class will be exempt from the ULEZ. This tax class excludes any vehicle used commercially. Read the eligibility criteria for the historic vehicle exemption on Gov.uk.

Vehicles built before 1 January 1973 will also be exempt from ULEZ. These vehicles were built
before emissions standards came into force and are exempted because of their unsuitability for
engine conversion or replacement.

In any event the current rolling 40 years only allows pre 1976 and post 2006 petrol so that's a whole heap of modern classics and other performance cars that will not be allowed without penalty.

By the time the ULEZ comes in, the rolling 40 cutoff'll be 1980, of course. And since restricting access to higher-polluting vehicles is kinda the whole point of the ULEZ...
Problem is the Mayor is talking about introducing a "T" charge as well as broadening the ULEZ area. They are not the same and it's all quite confusing until you go through the consultation. There is no exemption for classics of any age for the "T" charge which is planned to be introduced as early as 2017. I believe T is for Toxicity. It will be charged in addition to the Congestion Charge.



Edited by stephendell on Friday 22 July 15:19

stephendell

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Friday 22nd July 2016
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roscobbc said:
Wouldn't take any notice of this - like the (then) proposed Cycle Super Highway Mayor for London was 'obliged' to allow public consultation and views of people affected - BUT, (and this is a big BUT) the mayor was not obliged to consider or act upon any mass input of objections - Boris (and presumably the new Major) were/are just carrying out their 'legal obligations', no more. Its a 'done deal' they will not take any notice of public comment 'cos they don't have to. We really need a referendum on these matters - perhaps then they'll be forced to take notice.
2020 ULEZ is a done deal but 2017 "T" Charge and ULEZ boundary extensions are not so have your say before it's too late.

stephendell

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73 posts

228 months

Tuesday 18th October 2016
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Well this is getting more serious now.

The second consultation is on line and the proposal is to extend the ULEZ to the North & South circular roads and bring it in early.

Well apparently 7/10 Londoners are in favour of this!! They obviously all want to buy new cars. I cannot believe this is representative of those that actually live in the proposed new zone as even the western extension of the existing congestion charge was strongly opposed.

If you still want to be able to drive an older pre-2007 petrol or pre-2016 diesel within the North & South Circular roads please complete this survey and oppose the ULEZ extension now.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-q...