G40R has arrived - Woohoo!
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G40R has arrived! - 5 days early! - Good times.
Drove it back from the factory yesterday evening, 250miles of thunderous cabin noise, loved it. (although I was wearing some rather effective in-ear noise cancelling BOSE headphones whilst thundering down the M1).
Thanks to Jamie and Mike at the factory for getting the car pushed through, good to finally get back to a serious car.
I had a few decals added at the factory and am pretty pleased with the finish, not had a chance to assess the graphics yet, the back looks nice with the decaled wing but may touch up the side and front with some subtle additions, i am really going to try to keep it as my only car (weekends are my only needs anyway), so I cannot go mad on stickers.
So, loud on the outside, very loud on the inside, thunderously loud on the move, hilariously loud when you put the hammer down. Didn't like the wing at the factory a few months ago, but the decal to my eyes makes it look like a bespoke performance option rather than boy racer.
No real niggles, may consider a small lumber support (although I was driving for 4 hours which is not really what this car is about), wipers don't quite return to position once used. Boot lid is a little tight on one side (but i know the fit is not an Audi and I'm just being fussy). Oh, and there appears to be no air-con recycle in the car, so the long long motorway options may be to either cook or choke, there may be a button for recycle, I haven't pressed all of them as yet.
Current thoughts:
Thunderously loud
Very direct dart steering
Feels light
Brisk pace
Brake pedal is clearly not servo assisted...
An actual genuine 100% race car for the road, makes the exige v6 I drove a while ago feel like a toy.
Still not sure why they bothered making the G40R when the GRDC is road legal (but very glad they did).
Spec:
Orange
Custom Decals
Wing
Vbox setup from GRDC car
GRDC geo (whilst accounting for s.bumps)
QR wheel
Air-con / Heater pack
Fire Extinguisher
Recommended:
That Ginetta also provide ear plugs.
Drove it back from the factory yesterday evening, 250miles of thunderous cabin noise, loved it. (although I was wearing some rather effective in-ear noise cancelling BOSE headphones whilst thundering down the M1).
Thanks to Jamie and Mike at the factory for getting the car pushed through, good to finally get back to a serious car.
I had a few decals added at the factory and am pretty pleased with the finish, not had a chance to assess the graphics yet, the back looks nice with the decaled wing but may touch up the side and front with some subtle additions, i am really going to try to keep it as my only car (weekends are my only needs anyway), so I cannot go mad on stickers.
So, loud on the outside, very loud on the inside, thunderously loud on the move, hilariously loud when you put the hammer down. Didn't like the wing at the factory a few months ago, but the decal to my eyes makes it look like a bespoke performance option rather than boy racer.
No real niggles, may consider a small lumber support (although I was driving for 4 hours which is not really what this car is about), wipers don't quite return to position once used. Boot lid is a little tight on one side (but i know the fit is not an Audi and I'm just being fussy). Oh, and there appears to be no air-con recycle in the car, so the long long motorway options may be to either cook or choke, there may be a button for recycle, I haven't pressed all of them as yet.
Current thoughts:
Thunderously loud
Very direct dart steering
Feels light
Brisk pace
Brake pedal is clearly not servo assisted...
An actual genuine 100% race car for the road, makes the exige v6 I drove a while ago feel like a toy.
Still not sure why they bothered making the G40R when the GRDC is road legal (but very glad they did).
Spec:
Orange
Custom Decals
Wing
Vbox setup from GRDC car
GRDC geo (whilst accounting for s.bumps)
QR wheel
Air-con / Heater pack
Fire Extinguisher
Recommended:
That Ginetta also provide ear plugs.
The car in traffic is ok, clutch is not overly heavy and gear shift is easy considering the purpose of the car. If you have a reasonably heavy footed way of driving you'd be unlikely to stall it, but it does like revs. Not ideal for a motorway crawl. Throttle is also pretty sensitive which helps, not used the brakes in anger as yet, but out of everything (excluding cabin noise), the brakes are the thing that remind you it should really be on a track.
30k plus 4 and a bit on options. VFM may be an issue when I decide to tune the duratec, still, TVR, Ariel to Ginetta, keeping it British.
30k plus 4 and a bit on options. VFM may be an issue when I decide to tune the duratec, still, TVR, Ariel to Ginetta, keeping it British.
I think the wing is better in the flesh than the pictures (and that goes for the car as a whole). Didn't like the wing at first but Lawrence convinced me it would handle noticibly better, I had planned to take it off and replace with grommets when not on track, but in the flesh with the Ginetta decal, i think it looks like it's meant to be there not just another Halfrauds piece.
The car could do with some low down poke on the road, i'm not for the 5k rpm starting limit on public roads tbh, the torque of a v8 tvr would be nice, however, it does have suitable power when it gets going and is certain to perform on track well. Still, 250 - 280 bhp NA route for me, done the SC thing, not looking to make it something crazy (and i like NA noise)
Steering i find is pretty heavy all the time, it does lighten up at high speed, it'll be interesting to see if this helps or hinders on high speed bends, again, that's something i only save for track days.
I will matt Orange the front 1/5 of the bonnet next weekend to try and protect the front a little from debris and add a few more smaller decals, but I'm very happy with mine.
The smell is odd, can't help thinking some of it is from the old tvr glue days. Certainly noticed the smell in the 250 mile trip home, not so much in the 100 mile trip yesterday and hardly at all in the 25 min drive I had today. Thing is, if you wind down the window on the motorway you bring in all the fumes from the motorway traffic anyway. Air-con seems to help, but that may only be due to moving the air around a little. I keep the car in a garage and currently gave the windows down, it'll be like that until next weekend, so any fumes should be gone, leaving me with a glue smell or nothing, then i'll have a baseline.
I'll say the 250 miles trip back was in a lot of heavy 50 avg speed sections, the 100 mile yesterday wasn't but I only noticed the fumes really when on the motorways, not smaller B roads. It does make me think that a lot of the smell is due to the lack of cabin isolation from the outside environment due to panel gaps and no seals. Still, i knew what i was buying, so i'm all happy.
The car could do with some low down poke on the road, i'm not for the 5k rpm starting limit on public roads tbh, the torque of a v8 tvr would be nice, however, it does have suitable power when it gets going and is certain to perform on track well. Still, 250 - 280 bhp NA route for me, done the SC thing, not looking to make it something crazy (and i like NA noise)
Steering i find is pretty heavy all the time, it does lighten up at high speed, it'll be interesting to see if this helps or hinders on high speed bends, again, that's something i only save for track days.
I will matt Orange the front 1/5 of the bonnet next weekend to try and protect the front a little from debris and add a few more smaller decals, but I'm very happy with mine.
The smell is odd, can't help thinking some of it is from the old tvr glue days. Certainly noticed the smell in the 250 mile trip home, not so much in the 100 mile trip yesterday and hardly at all in the 25 min drive I had today. Thing is, if you wind down the window on the motorway you bring in all the fumes from the motorway traffic anyway. Air-con seems to help, but that may only be due to moving the air around a little. I keep the car in a garage and currently gave the windows down, it'll be like that until next weekend, so any fumes should be gone, leaving me with a glue smell or nothing, then i'll have a baseline.
I'll say the 250 miles trip back was in a lot of heavy 50 avg speed sections, the 100 mile yesterday wasn't but I only noticed the fumes really when on the motorways, not smaller B roads. It does make me think that a lot of the smell is due to the lack of cabin isolation from the outside environment due to panel gaps and no seals. Still, i knew what i was buying, so i'm all happy.
Oh, and i'll be having my servicing completed at Mole-Valley (Surrey) where I ordered my car from initially (although it was the first one they've arrange from new and they haven't even seen what they helped me to buy yet!). I think they want some advertising pictures of the car for their site, so I'll be heading down in a few weeks. They are factory accredited (if that is the right word), along with Hexam these are the only two dealers I know of.
Oh, well as i understand the procedure, the power button turns the thing on, the ignition preps car (fuel pump etc), then the imoboliser must be switched off before the engine start button does anything, at this point i throw my keys (imob key) into the G holder thing and the engine starts, else engine button does nowt. Even if i shut engine off using ign button and power off car, if i power on car and set ignition on it will still fire up when i then press the engine button without the imob key being present. Guess it is in the 20seconds or so window of the car being un-imobolised.
What I'm trying to say is that you can get quite far in the sequence before the ring/loop behind the console is called into question.
What I'm trying to say is that you can get quite far in the sequence before the ring/loop behind the console is called into question.
Krismc said:
Ive got the demo/prototype G111ETA (orange one) which belongs to Ginetta and ive had it 8 weeks as my car is being in for repairs from the build and its disgraceful the amount of fumes that get in the cabin on this one, its actually a hazard as far as im concerned.
After 30-40 mins in the car, head aches and the stink of fuel. I can see several areas that are the reason behind this, the exhaust is tucked under the rear of the car, so the rear diffuser sucks the fumes back into the boot. The way the seal around the steering is located allows air from the engine bay in and the biggest of all there is no fresh air feed into the cabin, the air is fed from the engine bay.
I think they are probably working on a fix in the back ground as its certainly not the right level of fumes for a road car, its fair enough for a track car but not a road car.
Mines a little better but I need to give it a few more miles before I see what its like.
I'd be interested to hear what these repairs are...After 30-40 mins in the car, head aches and the stink of fuel. I can see several areas that are the reason behind this, the exhaust is tucked under the rear of the car, so the rear diffuser sucks the fumes back into the boot. The way the seal around the steering is located allows air from the engine bay in and the biggest of all there is no fresh air feed into the cabin, the air is fed from the engine bay.
I think they are probably working on a fix in the back ground as its certainly not the right level of fumes for a road car, its fair enough for a track car but not a road car.
Mines a little better but I need to give it a few more miles before I see what its like.
My front clam developed what looks like a stress fracture from a production process, only small, and I'm looking to protect front with a vinyl wrap, so I'm not too bothered. On a hoon and hone type thing next month to give the car a proper shake down, I'll then check the car over again.
So regarding fumes, best advice currently is to just have the windows down then, if you cannot get fresh air in and you cannot prevent fume ingress then you're pretty stuffed. Agree that as a road car it's not great, seems quite literally a race car with licence plates, which was all that I was promised. Sunday drive car, would not envy a commute.
That'll be me, I'm down at Mole Valley on Saturday for a few photos of the car for the dealership and a chinwag about the G (dealership have ordered one due for October).
Further problems found, fuel fill up cut off is overly eager, real power of the engine is rpm 5k+, no rear demister.
Add to the list, still, great car.
Further problems found, fuel fill up cut off is overly eager, real power of the engine is rpm 5k+, no rear demister.
Add to the list, still, great car.
Welcome!
I also sold my 310 Atom not so long ago
Would describe the G40R as a front engined Lotus that has been given the TVR treatment with the added brief that the essential components must be race ready and reliable.
Would add that I think the price has move from 30k all inc vat to 36k all inc vat, I cannot think of a similar car on the market if it ticks all your boxes, but if you are a little more flexible on cars, then at near 40k there is other metal out there. Personally, I think the g40r ticks all the boxes a high volume car doesn't. Currently looking at a Fiesta ST to do the rest of the work.
HTH
A.
I also sold my 310 Atom not so long ago
Would describe the G40R as a front engined Lotus that has been given the TVR treatment with the added brief that the essential components must be race ready and reliable.
Would add that I think the price has move from 30k all inc vat to 36k all inc vat, I cannot think of a similar car on the market if it ticks all your boxes, but if you are a little more flexible on cars, then at near 40k there is other metal out there. Personally, I think the g40r ticks all the boxes a high volume car doesn't. Currently looking at a Fiesta ST to do the rest of the work.
HTH
A.
Well I have had the G40R now since September, my thoughts...
The car is not finished and is hand built in the main, so it will depend on who does the work and what kind of day he/she is having. Just being honest here, i had to return the car twice in a month, once was because of an incorrect fuse had been fitted, so car fuse blew when i pumped up the juice using air-con, wipers, lights etc. Not a great start. Then I had a clutch issue which meant i could not select gears, problem was isolated to a cracked pipe / clutch fluid thing (I'm no mechanic at all). Anyhow, mechanics then seemingly spent 3 days taking the car apart and checking it over completely, since then it has been fine, excepting that I do currently only have wipers that work on maximum speed only. I have taken out both RAC and AA membership to cover any issues with recovery home and then onwards to Leeds.
The car is not finished and is hand built in the main, so it will depend on who does the work and what kind of day he/she is having. Just being honest here, i had to return the car twice in a month, once was because of an incorrect fuse had been fitted, so car fuse blew when i pumped up the juice using air-con, wipers, lights etc. Not a great start. Then I had a clutch issue which meant i could not select gears, problem was isolated to a cracked pipe / clutch fluid thing (I'm no mechanic at all). Anyhow, mechanics then seemingly spent 3 days taking the car apart and checking it over completely, since then it has been fine, excepting that I do currently only have wipers that work on maximum speed only. I have taken out both RAC and AA membership to cover any issues with recovery home and then onwards to Leeds.
Car itself is setup for a good lap rather than drift or 0-60, very sorted when on the track, very competent when hussling over 5krpm.
Fumes are not really an issue for me, still cannot decide if the light fumes are possibly a heating of a cabin that is stuck together rather than any mainstream porker for example. I'm currently looking at some air quality system I can purchase to check the cabin situation.
Also considered a raceline upgrade to the 200bhp duratec, TBH I may just leave it, the car is solid enough and has the performance on track which is enough for chasing down more powerful metal.
36k though... I was lucky enough to secure it while it was 30k (this is car only, no support package at old or new price).
There is nothing like it though really, if I do decide to raceline to 250/260 I have no doubt it will be on par with a 997 GT3 (albeit much more rough and ready, but cheaper to own). I do however think it is a racecar that you are allowed to drive on the road. I know it is said constantly about performance cars "it's a racecar for the road", they really aren't, even a GT3 on the road feels like a road car compared to this, which may be what people are after, but I think that at this level enthusiasts trailer a track car?...
What could replace it? GT3RS, poss GT3, poss Cayman GT4. For the focus the car puts on circuit, I don't see a manufacturer in the price bracket, enthusiasts would love the car, but do enthusiasts pay 36k for such a toy?, i'm still not sure.
Fumes are not really an issue for me, still cannot decide if the light fumes are possibly a heating of a cabin that is stuck together rather than any mainstream porker for example. I'm currently looking at some air quality system I can purchase to check the cabin situation.
Also considered a raceline upgrade to the 200bhp duratec, TBH I may just leave it, the car is solid enough and has the performance on track which is enough for chasing down more powerful metal.
36k though... I was lucky enough to secure it while it was 30k (this is car only, no support package at old or new price).
There is nothing like it though really, if I do decide to raceline to 250/260 I have no doubt it will be on par with a 997 GT3 (albeit much more rough and ready, but cheaper to own). I do however think it is a racecar that you are allowed to drive on the road. I know it is said constantly about performance cars "it's a racecar for the road", they really aren't, even a GT3 on the road feels like a road car compared to this, which may be what people are after, but I think that at this level enthusiasts trailer a track car?...
What could replace it? GT3RS, poss GT3, poss Cayman GT4. For the focus the car puts on circuit, I don't see a manufacturer in the price bracket, enthusiasts would love the car, but do enthusiasts pay 36k for such a toy?, i'm still not sure.
Have you driven one?
I'm in Essex, owned the G40r since Sept last year, had a few glitches but nothing major, start-up procedure all ok.
I do have an official Ginetta dealer in Surrey Mole Valley. But to be honest, I have the car on a double recovery setup, so any issues I have the car loaded up and sent back direct to the factory, in reality, the factory is the only place to have real knowledge of the vehicle.
Still at a total loss on the fumes, I cannot decide if it's a problem or not. Just been back from a North Weald day, had a blast, failed to notice any fumes at all. Beginning to think the height of the car could just be collecting the fumes from surrounding cars (happened a lot in the Atom also).
Car is a blast and sounds great. For a Spa or Ring trip though, I'd probably even consider taking an Atom before the G. It is a race car, more raw than any production Elise I can think of and makes the GT3 feel like a bit of a grand tourer in comparison.
Essex is a big old county, but if you're near BasVegas at any anoint then drop me a PM and we can meet up to go through any minor points. As in, panel gaps.
I'm in Essex, owned the G40r since Sept last year, had a few glitches but nothing major, start-up procedure all ok.
I do have an official Ginetta dealer in Surrey Mole Valley. But to be honest, I have the car on a double recovery setup, so any issues I have the car loaded up and sent back direct to the factory, in reality, the factory is the only place to have real knowledge of the vehicle.
Still at a total loss on the fumes, I cannot decide if it's a problem or not. Just been back from a North Weald day, had a blast, failed to notice any fumes at all. Beginning to think the height of the car could just be collecting the fumes from surrounding cars (happened a lot in the Atom also).
Car is a blast and sounds great. For a Spa or Ring trip though, I'd probably even consider taking an Atom before the G. It is a race car, more raw than any production Elise I can think of and makes the GT3 feel like a bit of a grand tourer in comparison.
Essex is a big old county, but if you're near BasVegas at any anoint then drop me a PM and we can meet up to go through any minor points. As in, panel gaps.
Did you take the plunge?
Anyhow, off to the factory in a few weeks to discuss all things Ginetta, the fumes are now negligible (if they are even there!). My setup is that I have a rear wing, the heater is off and the vents are closed where they can be, air-con is also never switched on, windows always up. I know this is not very practical but I am creating a baseline for a few months to get a better understanding before opening up more variables.
Only ever hit Colchester to slowly drive past the Ferrari dealership, although saying that, give it a few weeks and I'll be flying past on the way to Woodbridge (which is an excellent airfield circuit BTW)
Anyhow, off to the factory in a few weeks to discuss all things Ginetta, the fumes are now negligible (if they are even there!). My setup is that I have a rear wing, the heater is off and the vents are closed where they can be, air-con is also never switched on, windows always up. I know this is not very practical but I am creating a baseline for a few months to get a better understanding before opening up more variables.
Only ever hit Colchester to slowly drive past the Ferrari dealership, although saying that, give it a few weeks and I'll be flying past on the way to Woodbridge (which is an excellent airfield circuit BTW)
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