Paint/stone protection
Discussion
Thanks for the replies,
I'm awaiting a quote from Armourfend in Letchworth, first impressions with both customer service
And product knowledge are very positive.
Steve painting the car every couple of years is an option that I've adhered to in the
Past, just wanting some extra protection.
I'll look Nano shield up too.
Speedy responses appreciated, want to get this done ASAP.
D
I'm awaiting a quote from Armourfend in Letchworth, first impressions with both customer service
And product knowledge are very positive.
Steve painting the car every couple of years is an option that I've adhered to in the
Past, just wanting some extra protection.
I'll look Nano shield up too.
Speedy responses appreciated, want to get this done ASAP.
D
FlipFlopGriff said:
Had Paintshield on the Griff for about 7 years now. Looked at Armorfend but they did the final trim on the car - not good when you've just had a £4.5k respray
FFG
No I totally agree, I did ask the question and they assured me it was templated.FFG
I'll be sure to confirm prior to any work being carried out.
D
I did talk to them about this, they are confident that they have the correct templates, if not they would travel to my home address and for £250 template my car.
Paint shield however do not have such a template and quoted that the price to template would double my original quote making a total of over £1400. Compared to Armourfends £650 with a personalised template.
I'm confident that a Mk2 template will be an exact fit on my car as I have every confidence that all involved with my project
Are on top of there game.
D
Paint shield however do not have such a template and quoted that the price to template would double my original quote making a total of over £1400. Compared to Armourfends £650 with a personalised template.
I'm confident that a Mk2 template will be an exact fit on my car as I have every confidence that all involved with my project
Are on top of there game.
D
Guam said:
As I understand it there is only one mark 2 so unless they had access to that then it will be a ground up design will it not
Using a mark one kit may work if it's a multi piece standard kit ( part bonnet)
Anything bigger than that will need a complete rework if tolerances are tight
If they can do a one off design at that price I would bite their hand off
I can't answer your question as to how many Mk2 Sagaris there are but I'd be very surprised if it's just the one.Using a mark one kit may work if it's a multi piece standard kit ( part bonnet)
Anything bigger than that will need a complete rework if tolerances are tight
If they can do a one off design at that price I would bite their hand off
Im sure both companies have there pro's and cons, but in this instance I can't warrant the extra £800.
I suspect Guam that you are affiliated with Paint Shield? Possibly Tom himself.
Guam said:
DJR 7 said:
I can't answer your question as to how many Mk2 Sagaris there are but I'd be very surprised if it's just the one.
Im sure both companies have there pro's and cons, but in this instance I can't warrant the extra £800.
I suspect Guam that you are affiliated with Paint Shield? Possibly Tom himself.
No secret on here as to who I amIm sure both companies have there pro's and cons, but in this instance I can't warrant the extra £800.
I suspect Guam that you are affiliated with Paint Shield? Possibly Tom himself.
To my knowledge there was only the one produced prior to their failure
TVR,s are cars we know extremely well as we did the factory cars at the plant for a good while prior to collapse
The only ones Gerbill would sanction if my memory serves
The reality is whilst this is a good job in terms of construction
Slapping a tape measure accross it throws up significan difference panel for panel
It's a complete redesign where we are concerned given you wanted an extended front
In other words sixty percent of the front rather than a standard ki
Also checking with the office on the price you state that's not strictly correct now is it
You cited 65o plus design uplift correct
we priced 750 if it had been the same and 100 percent mark up as it turned out to be a one off not the saggaris you told us it was
That iirc is 500 more than you stated earlier not 800 which is nowhere near the three times figure either
I am more concerned with the fact your car languishes at our unit while you hawk the job around
I need that slot it is occupying so would appreciate its timely removal
All of this could have been avoided had the car been correctly described to us any time in the last year
Cheers
Now let's do the maths correctly.
Paintshield:
Extended nose cone kit ( recommended as it covers more of the nose cone) £725.00+vat
Templating as quoted by Ann Wakeford, double your quote. So a total of £1450.00+vat
Armourfend:
Front nose section £190.00+vat
Lower front lip £30.00+vat
Installation charge£120.00+vat
Template should it be required £250.00+ vat
So a total of £590.00+vat
This is more than £800 more expensive it's actually £890.00.
As you have not got the Template for a Mk2 I'm not actually sure where you are obtaining your measurements?
You seem to be under the illusion that a sagaris front end has been grafted/joined onto a Tuscan front end.
In actual fact the front end fitted to my vehicle is an exact match as it was moulded from the Sagaris and is a complete
Sagaris front section.
As I said earlier I simply cannot warrant spending an extra £725.00 for you to Template.
I'm not Hawking the job out, I was simply asking on here for alternatives so I could obtain a quote.
At no time was I derogative towards Paint Sheild.
The car was delivered to you in good faith on Friday 16th, once it was established that you did not have the templates you then asked me to arrange collection or face storage costs .... As I said in my personal mail I find that a bit harsh.
As I have explained to Ann I have arranged for a transport company to collect the car, I will call them to chase.
As I said to you in my mail I am 100% confident that if you had the Mk2 template it would fit.
We both know which one and only Mk2 Sagaris. To which you refer as I believe you fitted film to it.
I'm guessing you won't want to discuss that on the open forum?
D
Edited by DJR 7 on Friday 23 January 16:13
Guam said:
Okay let's take this from the top
You are still being disingenuous
You don't seem to be comparing like for like
No different to you failing to declare your car was a replica of a mark two when you first enquires a year ago you failed in all that time to declare this leaving it to us to discover when your vehicle arrived
Now whether you like it or not at the level of precision we are talking about the vehicles are dimensionally different
In our experience no two grp moulds are ever identical when made by hand
Take the cerbera and the chimaeras there were four moulds in play I was given to understand by the factory when they were produced two in the Far East and two in Blackpool as a consequence we have four sets of patterns for both those cars
Post a photograph of the side of your car and the side of a safaris up and tell me the panel in front of the doors behind the front wheels is not considerably different and that is obvious from the photograph
The real saggaris mark one was asymmetrical across its panels side to side your construction is much closer panel for panel across the two sides
The bottom line is you mislead us as to the nature of this car and did not like the fact we felt it necessary to treat this as a one off and price accordingly
I made thi
And let's not get into the fact I am stuck with a car I won't be working on as you failed to arrange uplift until this afternoon
Your guy rang me after hours to arrange an uplift when the access road is being repaired
You have had more than enough time to arrange uplift and were asked repealtedly to collect and yet a call only arrives after the business was closed for the day with a request that could not be complied with
We have done absolutely nothing wrong here as our email exchanges will verify
The car was diarised for delivery on the Thursday it didn't materialise until the Friday collection was scheduled for the following Tuesday and still your vehicle remains with us long after you made plain you decided to go else where as you didn't want to be a Guinea pig for design notwithstanding the price
Well as there was only one we knew of and as it never came to us for design and given your car is a replica not even a factory build then it's pretty clear it would need a design to some degree
As I have said had you told us this anytime over the last year none of this would have occurred
Tom,You are still being disingenuous
You don't seem to be comparing like for like
No different to you failing to declare your car was a replica of a mark two when you first enquires a year ago you failed in all that time to declare this leaving it to us to discover when your vehicle arrived
Now whether you like it or not at the level of precision we are talking about the vehicles are dimensionally different
In our experience no two grp moulds are ever identical when made by hand
Take the cerbera and the chimaeras there were four moulds in play I was given to understand by the factory when they were produced two in the Far East and two in Blackpool as a consequence we have four sets of patterns for both those cars
Post a photograph of the side of your car and the side of a safaris up and tell me the panel in front of the doors behind the front wheels is not considerably different and that is obvious from the photograph
The real saggaris mark one was asymmetrical across its panels side to side your construction is much closer panel for panel across the two sides
The bottom line is you mislead us as to the nature of this car and did not like the fact we felt it necessary to treat this as a one off and price accordingly
I made thi
And let's not get into the fact I am stuck with a car I won't be working on as you failed to arrange uplift until this afternoon
Your guy rang me after hours to arrange an uplift when the access road is being repaired
You have had more than enough time to arrange uplift and were asked repealtedly to collect and yet a call only arrives after the business was closed for the day with a request that could not be complied with
We have done absolutely nothing wrong here as our email exchanges will verify
The car was diarised for delivery on the Thursday it didn't materialise until the Friday collection was scheduled for the following Tuesday and still your vehicle remains with us long after you made plain you decided to go else where as you didn't want to be a Guinea pig for design notwithstanding the price
Well as there was only one we knew of and as it never came to us for design and given your car is a replica not even a factory build then it's pretty clear it would need a design to some degree
As I have said had you told us this anytime over the last year none of this would have occurred
As I have said I have not been derogative towards your company and I'm certainly not being disingenuous.
Like for like is not possible to appraise as your two companies use different material.
As I've said all along it was down to price.
I told you straight I wasn't happy to pay £725.00 Template cost, I assumed incorrectly as it transpires that you would
Have the appropriate Template. No I didn't mention it was a Mk2, and no I didn't mention it was a Replica, hybrid or whatever
Other phrase you have used. I know for a fact that you have fitted film to a Mk2, and assumed you'd have the Template if I wished to be malicious I'd go into that installation in more detail!!
I'm not entering into a slanging match with you over the design of my car. I've explained why the wheel arch detail
Is different and you've chosen not to take that onboard, I know of Two owners that have had this upgrade applied to there cars, the front film area remains the same.
As for the transport, I actually arranged collection on Wednesday, they took my details
And told me they would contact you directly, the fact they only contacted you today at 16.40 was out of my control
I checked your web site and it states that you are open until 21.00 today.
Once again I mailed you personally reference the hostility your company showed towards the driver, whether that was
You or an employee it's unacceptable! He is a contractor carrying out his work with no regard whatsoever to your
Grievance with me.
So from the top.
Car arrives at Paint Shield, call comes in to say you haven't got the template and it would cost an extra £725
To Template. After a few mails/ conversations I decide to cancel my fitment and obtain other suggestions/quotes.
You ask me to collect the car or you'll charge storage.
Transport arranged.
It really is that simple, you've turned this into the fiasco it has become.
Let's not hide behind your sudo name, you are In fact Tom Wakeford The Managing Director of Paint Shield.
I will repeat, I have in no way been derogative to Paint Shield, but I will say your attitude towards me leaves a lot to
Be desired.
I hope any piers reading this post see the kind of customer service your company provide.
All this because I refuse to pay a template charge and choose to take my business elsewhere.
Disgusting
D
Guam said:
The only thing disgusting here is the telephone call I just had with you
I have sent an email informing you that that type of abuse over the phone is unacceptable and issued instruction that no one is to speak to you from within the business following your abusive tone
I have also requested once more that your vehicle be removed from our workshop
By close of business Tuesday
That is my last word on this subject
Tom you seem to want to air all in public.I have sent an email informing you that that type of abuse over the phone is unacceptable and issued instruction that no one is to speak to you from within the business following your abusive tone
I have also requested once more that your vehicle be removed from our workshop
By close of business Tuesday
That is my last word on this subject
To make it clear you phoned me and left a long whining message,
I called you back as your whining went on for so long the voice mail ended without you concluding your point.
After almost 10 minutes of listening to you shout at me and not for one minute having any regard for what I was saying I lost my temper with you.
It was wrong of me to use that language and I apologise.
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