The PH Classics Trackday 2014
Discussion
Would anybody be interested in this if I was willing to organise? Open pit lane, good behaviour, novices very welcome.
I'm thinking it would be a bit of a hoot, good company and a nice day out.
Late spring probably best and a reasonably central(ish) circuit on a Friday. I'm thinking Silverstone.
If anyone is interested make your mark below in the normal manner. If we can get enough people we could perhaps take an entire trackday to ourselves. Not sure how many that. Would be, perhaps. 40+ ish?
Interested:
Benjj
I'm thinking it would be a bit of a hoot, good company and a nice day out.
Late spring probably best and a reasonably central(ish) circuit on a Friday. I'm thinking Silverstone.
If anyone is interested make your mark below in the normal manner. If we can get enough people we could perhaps take an entire trackday to ourselves. Not sure how many that. Would be, perhaps. 40+ ish?
Interested:
Benjj
I suppose it'll come down to performance and skill, ideally less of the former and more of the latter.
On my last day at Silverstone I was doing some laps in the Mission Motorsport MX5 after I shat the transaxle on the Porsche.
It was putting out 90hp. Also out on track was a Le Mans Mosler. On the straights it had a 120mph+ closing speed. Not much fun for either of us.
Ideally we'd put together a day where there isn't such differences in outright speed.
Also will be good to dodge the Subaru / Lancer / Caterfield brigade. They're too quick in the corners
On my last day at Silverstone I was doing some laps in the Mission Motorsport MX5 after I shat the transaxle on the Porsche.
It was putting out 90hp. Also out on track was a Le Mans Mosler. On the straights it had a 120mph+ closing speed. Not much fun for either of us.
Ideally we'd put together a day where there isn't such differences in outright speed.
Also will be good to dodge the Subaru / Lancer / Caterfield brigade. They're too quick in the corners
Points taken, Robert.
Goodwood would be perfect but it is far from ideal for a day out for anyone north of the Midlands. I would really like this to be as easy as poss for everyone.
Especially noted on behaviour. That's why I was thinking of Melindi/GoldTrack - she's very good at keeping on top of things.
I'm also pretty damned good at shouting too
Goodwood would be perfect but it is far from ideal for a day out for anyone north of the Midlands. I would really like this to be as easy as poss for everyone.
Especially noted on behaviour. That's why I was thinking of Melindi/GoldTrack - she's very good at keeping on top of things.
I'm also pretty damned good at shouting too
Donington is a very good call.
Stag - awesome!
I don't want this to develop into a 'can I bring x?' - we're all adults and I hope everyone who is potentially interested would know themselves if their car is right or not.
The Stag, great, big lump on an old chasis, tricky to drive hard and perfect for the job.
Early MR2 with a Hayabusa or Mk1 Golf with an R32, not so much.
Let's try and keep it classy!
Stag - awesome!
I don't want this to develop into a 'can I bring x?' - we're all adults and I hope everyone who is potentially interested would know themselves if their car is right or not.
The Stag, great, big lump on an old chasis, tricky to drive hard and perfect for the job.
Early MR2 with a Hayabusa or Mk1 Golf with an R32, not so much.
Let's try and keep it classy!
epoch911 said:
I'd definitely be up for this - either 911 2.7RS or Jaguar C-Type.
Another vote for Silverstone - they tend to offer more track days at the higher 105db limit which is what my cars make - so anything less than that and I'm out
Great idea though
Ant
Are you sure they'd be fast enough Another vote for Silverstone - they tend to offer more track days at the higher 105db limit which is what my cars make - so anything less than that and I'm out
Great idea though
Ant
neutral 3 said:
...the thought of someone of little skill / experience ploughing into to the Griff is not a pleasant thought...
...Is track day insurance available?...
Yes, this is the crux of it really and why I'm keen to avoid having wildly mismatched cars on track....Is track day insurance available?...
This day should and will be open to track driving novices though, that is important. Will pen more on this from the office when on a computer.
Re insurance - oh yes, a million and one options available.
Ok, a few more thoughts:
Track / location
Central is a must I think and that gives a relatively limited choice. Realistically the options are:
Donington Park
Mallory Park
Silverstone
For a mix of novices and experienced drivers Silverstone is hard to beat with its wide track and huge run-off areas... but it will come down to price as it would be far and away the most expensive.
Cars
I think a provisional 'up to 1980' cut off is about right. This will give us a great mix but will avoid some of the 'modern classics' which will be far, far faster than a lot of others. This is NOT set in stone though and I think we should be relatively open to interesting and suitable post-'80 cars. As said above those interested need to be their own guide. However, and this is just a personal thing, I'm not really interested in sharing the track with a bunch of Caterham type rockets.
People interested
Probably a good idea to start a proper list so I can keep track and keep people updated. So far it looks like we have the below (obviously date depending etc). Could people please update this filling in a few other bits as I have below:
Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
Chevy-Stu - ?
Robert Elise - Morgan?
Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
P100 - TVR Vixen S2
Markymark93 - ?
Neutral 3 - ?
Epoch911 - C-Type or 2.7RS
Track / location
Central is a must I think and that gives a relatively limited choice. Realistically the options are:
Donington Park
Mallory Park
Silverstone
For a mix of novices and experienced drivers Silverstone is hard to beat with its wide track and huge run-off areas... but it will come down to price as it would be far and away the most expensive.
Cars
I think a provisional 'up to 1980' cut off is about right. This will give us a great mix but will avoid some of the 'modern classics' which will be far, far faster than a lot of others. This is NOT set in stone though and I think we should be relatively open to interesting and suitable post-'80 cars. As said above those interested need to be their own guide. However, and this is just a personal thing, I'm not really interested in sharing the track with a bunch of Caterham type rockets.
People interested
Probably a good idea to start a proper list so I can keep track and keep people updated. So far it looks like we have the below (obviously date depending etc). Could people please update this filling in a few other bits as I have below:
Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
Chevy-Stu - ?
Robert Elise - Morgan?
Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
P100 - TVR Vixen S2
Markymark93 - ?
Neutral 3 - ?
Epoch911 - C-Type or 2.7RS
Well this has been quite a good start, good work all 
So, I've been speaking to a few people today and it seems there are really going to be two options:
1) Taking a full day at a 'lesser' track than Silverstone.
2) Trying to gather enough people to dominate or possibly completely take a pre-arranged day at Silverstone
Option 1 is probably the most likely. I've been told that Snetterton (the longest Snet 300 circuit) is by far the cheapest bang for buck and also offers a 105dB day. Not a good location though. In fact a pretty bloody terrible location for most I'd imagine.
I shall investigate Donington a bit further.
What I'm hoping for is that we can get a very early steer on days that have been allocated for track days and perhaps get a good 2/3 weeks before other people can book directly - that way we can all book independently.
More to follow as and when.
Oh, Goodwood as mentioned above - this could be interesting too depending on costs - can anyone give more? I know that the track is about £8k per day to hire.
So, I've been speaking to a few people today and it seems there are really going to be two options:
1) Taking a full day at a 'lesser' track than Silverstone.
2) Trying to gather enough people to dominate or possibly completely take a pre-arranged day at Silverstone
Option 1 is probably the most likely. I've been told that Snetterton (the longest Snet 300 circuit) is by far the cheapest bang for buck and also offers a 105dB day. Not a good location though. In fact a pretty bloody terrible location for most I'd imagine.
I shall investigate Donington a bit further.
What I'm hoping for is that we can get a very early steer on days that have been allocated for track days and perhaps get a good 2/3 weeks before other people can book directly - that way we can all book independently.
More to follow as and when.
Oh, Goodwood as mentioned above - this could be interesting too depending on costs - can anyone give more? I know that the track is about £8k per day to hire.
Just spoke to Donington. The long and short of it is this: If we want to hire the entire track for an open pit 98dba day it would be £12k. 50 cars makes it about £250 ish each.
Obviously we can investigate getting in on a pre-arranged track day which I'm sure will be less but will mean other (probably non classic) cars there.
Obviously we can investigate getting in on a pre-arranged track day which I'm sure will be less but will mean other (probably non classic) cars there.
Huntsman, yes, agree completely with all that.
This is only going to work one way - about 6-8 weeks before the event everyone will have to commit and pay for their place upfront. As much as I'd like to wager £12k+ of my own cash on a 'maybe' I won't be.
In other news I think it would be really terrific if we could get this up to 50 or more attendees so we can take an entire day somewhere. That being the case I think we should open up the car criteria a bit, perhaps something like:
Up to 1980
Up to 1993
If that works we can have one group out at a time. As it would be open pit action we'd have to manage that ourselves, probably doing 30 or 60 minute sessions.
Sound reasonable ish?
This is only going to work one way - about 6-8 weeks before the event everyone will have to commit and pay for their place upfront. As much as I'd like to wager £12k+ of my own cash on a 'maybe' I won't be.
In other news I think it would be really terrific if we could get this up to 50 or more attendees so we can take an entire day somewhere. That being the case I think we should open up the car criteria a bit, perhaps something like:
Up to 1980
Up to 1993
If that works we can have one group out at a time. As it would be open pit action we'd have to manage that ourselves, probably doing 30 or 60 minute sessions.
Sound reasonable ish?
Updated and numbered so we can keep an eye on things more easily:
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
1) Benjj - Porsche 944 rally car or BMW E12 M535i - intermediate track experience
2) Chevy-Stu - 1977 Camaro
3) Robert Elise - Morgan?
4) Johnnythespider - Triumph Stag
5) P100 - TVR Vixen S2
6) Markymark93 - ?
7) Neutral 3 - ?
8) Epoch911 - 2.7RS - Intermediate/experienced
9) sparkey - Lotus Elan +2, experienced
10) johnfm - '67 Lotus Elan +2, intermediate peddler.
11) V8 FOU - MG Widget (most likely) Intermediate + Milf (err not so experienced)
12) Huntsman - Gordon Keeble, never been on track before
13) The Pips - Mercedes SL500 R107. Very inexperienced.
14) Alfa Al - Alfetta GTV6, experienced.
15) SprintSpeciale - '64 Alfa Giulia SS (intermediate)
16) Yosini - Jensen Interceptor, or Dart (intermediate) & mrs (intermediate)
17) Elderly - in something elderly, (experienced) but circuit dependent.
18) M5Player - BMW 3.0 CSL (experienced)
19) Joesnow - 1968 Alfa GT Junior (1750 engined), have tracked before at Donington and Mallory
Elderly said:
I think that 30 minute sessions would be too much for most people and too much for their cars.
If you can't get the numbers to make up an earlier dateline single group open pit lane event,
I think that 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off would be better than 30 for a two group event.
I didn't explain it very well. What I meant was like this for example:If you can't get the numbers to make up an earlier dateline single group open pit lane event,
I think that 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off would be better than 30 for a two group event.
10.00 - 10.30 - group 1 open pit
10.30 - 11.00 - group 2 open pit
There is no pressure for any car to run for the full 30 minutes, they can do as they please during their allotted time, but it means we keep away a 69 Elan from a 1986 BMW for example meaning closing speeds are not too extreme.
In reality I suspect that we'll probably get up to about 30 people and with that we'll approach a number of track day organisers to see what they have available on dates that work for the group.
The idea of having an entire circuit to ourselves is epic but I suspect it is around 30/70 against at present.
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