5 speed box for Granada 2.8

[GrannieTwoEight]

Hi

I've been reading up on details about fitting a 5 speed box to the granada 2.8 I have - a MK2. Cannot figure out for the life of me what exact box it is.

From what I have ascertained so far I need a type 9 box but had read there was differences between the one fitted to OHC and V6 plus there is a type N, which appears to be the one fitted to the V6, but is commonly known as a type 9!! So every ad I see for a 5 speed ford box is a type 9 5 speed and I don't know (and owner potentially wont know) if it is a type 9 or type N (which will be rarer and may have been donored from a V6 for an OHC several owners back).

Secondly if I do get the right box how do I know what prop I need, would grannie auto prop or 4 speed 'E' type box fit?

Hopefully someone can help clarify this once and for all - how do I know what box to look for and the prop details.

There's a thread here on it but has just confused me more lol!

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

G

[GrannieTwoEight]

XJ Flyer said:

It's not clear wether you intend to convert an auto to manual or just replace a knackered box.If it's the former of those then it's probably better to just throw the whole lot and source a 302 V8 with the probably much more common easy to obtain manual box.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUpnxotJUHw

As for the latter in my case years ago in the day I replaced the knackered known weaker 5 speed with the older stronger 4 speed.

Replacing auto with manual. Yes this thought has crossed my mind about a V8 but cant be bothered with any more engine conversion work after spending so long building the engine up and getting it running right! Quite keen on keeping it as original as possible with the exception of the 5 speed box conversion.

Might go for 4 speed box if easier to get but really looking for the long legs of the 5 speed box.

Thanks for all the replies will check out those links.

G

[GrannieTwoEight]

Hooli said:

The 4cyl type nine does fit the v6. I know because I ran one in a xr4i for a while, no idea on the ratios etc and I doubt it's lifespan with the short input shaft not reaching the spigot bearing.

Remember reading somewhere there was a mod you could do with bellhousing - or another bellhousing, that brings the shaft out and it fits a 2.8.

Don't know I probably would try one out a 2.0 as I don't hammer it anyway or use the car much, but I read that the ratios for 2.0 are different and don't suit the V6.

[GrannieTwoEight]

I have the chance to get a 5 spd box from a 1986 2.4 mk3 from Germany - this should fit the 2.8 ok? I remember reading the 2.4 box was ok - can't remember where I read that. I am asking the seller to send some pics of codes, is there any specific codes I should look for.

Thanks

Andrew

[GrannieTwoEight]

Hi

Just bumping this thread up to see if anyone can point me in right direction. As I said in last post I have a chance to get 5 speed box from MK3 2.4 but not sure if the box for this is more closer to the 2.3 box, which someone said above had 2.0 ratios and would not suit 2.8?

It certainly seems like a type 9 'N' box with the input shaft that protrudes from the bellhousing (will post pics but can't just now as in work) but the seller says it has 23 teeth on the shaft, which matches neither of the teeth count on the list here:

http://www.type9gearbox.co.uk/type-9-variations.ht...

19 Teeth for 2.8 and 18 teeth for 2.0 box.

Any ideas anyone?

thanks

Andrew

[GrannieTwoEight]

Managed to get a capri 2.8 5 spd box so sorted - hopefully!

[GrannieTwoEight]

Had a chat with guy at fordparts uk as I was inquiring about new spigot bearing and here is what he said:

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You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to convert Auto Granada's to Manual

(Spigot Bearing) there is two different diameter holes in the crankshaft you need to measure your crankshaft 19mm or 21mm.
The 5 Speed gearboxes should have a 15mm but nose also needs to be checked,
The problems start when you have a 19mm crank because ford do not make a bearing with 19mm od with 15mm id,
the choices are
19mm x 12.7mm 1595873, NLA
21mm x 12.7mm 1595874 NLA
21mm x 15mm 1596468 Avail
you could either have a bearing made or the nose of the transmission machined to 12.7mm.

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My question is is there anyway to know my crank spigot size without removing the box? I know I will be taking it out at some point anyway but would be good to know what I might need to plan for - if anything - before removing it. It seems the most common size I see on the net is 21mm x 15mm and measured the box shaft end, which is 21mm, makes me think the bearing would need to be an even bigger diameter than 21mm.

If anyone has similar experiences with cologne 2.8 engine can you let me know what your crank spigot hole size was, and also your gbox shaft end size?

My granada is a 1984 ghia x and box is out of a 2.8 capri.

Many thanks

Andrew

Edited by GrannieTwoEight on Thursday 21st August 19:24

Edited by GrannieTwoEight on Thursday 21st August 19:25

[GrannieTwoEight]

S0 What said:

He's quite right unfortunatly i've converted maybe 20 odd V6's to manual and it's a lottery as to what bearing is needed but Burtons do 3 to choose from

http://www.burtonpower.com/catalogsearch/result/?q...

Thanks for that link. I understand the 21mm is the outer diameter but what the internal diameter is 15mm then I guess I am confused. My box is 21mm shaft so that would mean the bearing needs to be 21mm internal diameter. Woops I have a 5 spd box out a 2.8 Capri - can that be wrong or should it fit Granada as I had known many to use this box before.

Edited by GrannieTwoEight on Tuesday 26th August 16:27