911 novice thread
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Ok I've a thread running at present for a classic car search but theres a very good chance of me going for a nice 911 that would hold its value for a couple of yrs while i experienced ownership. Budget would be 25-30k and I'm looking for help and suggestions please as to which model to go for.
Aircooled would be fine but i dont want anything I'd need to deal with bodywork or rot issues. I'd also want to avoid modern engines with issues (is that the 996 model? )
Cheers
Aircooled would be fine but i dont want anything I'd need to deal with bodywork or rot issues. I'd also want to avoid modern engines with issues (is that the 996 model? )
Cheers
Thanks for that. Typically what would service intervals and costs be on a 996 turbo with a specialist instead of main dealers?
It would be a 3k miles pa car in all honesty so hopefully not mega bucks running costs. I service my own cars generally but i know to retain value in something like that would need dealer or specialist book upkeep
It would be a 3k miles pa car in all honesty so hopefully not mega bucks running costs. I service my own cars generally but i know to retain value in something like that would need dealer or specialist book upkeep
A quick trawl on autotrader reveals lots and lots of 3.6 and 3.8 carreras in the 20to30k range but is that the model with all the engine problems?
Not many turbos listed but this looked v nice
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
( ignoring lh drive lol)
Not many turbos listed but this looked v nice
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
( ignoring lh drive lol)
stuttgartmetal said:
That boat went 3 /4 years ago
You won't run a turbo
The996 C4S secret is out, they've all gone up
993's ain't moving
964's have become pedestal-ised far beyond their worth
Carrera 3.2's all need bodywork, or are 35k
Why don't you consider a Cayman or Boxster
Or a 968 Clubsport
A 997 is out there for you, but will depreciate
I'd consider a 3.8s
Do you mean budget range wont stretch to a turbo or the actual running costs?You won't run a turbo
The996 C4S secret is out, they've all gone up
993's ain't moving
964's have become pedestal-ised far beyond their worth
Carrera 3.2's all need bodywork, or are 35k
Why don't you consider a Cayman or Boxster
Or a 968 Clubsport
A 997 is out there for you, but will depreciate
I'd consider a 3.8s
Carrera 3.2s- would you get one for 35k which had bodywork sorted properly and is it a major issue on them?
Priority would be something not needing work, body or mechanical
stuttgartmetal said:
You'll get a sorted 964 or 993 for that money.
Put some ads out
You need to drive some to see what you like.
Turbos just cost to run
Remember you're buying at a peak in the market
I just can't see the bubble remaining intact
Why not buy an M3 and look again in a year ?
Thats not the worst idea ever tbh. You think a genuine price drop is coming? Put some ads out
You need to drive some to see what you like.
Turbos just cost to run
Remember you're buying at a peak in the market
I just can't see the bubble remaining intact
Why not buy an M3 and look again in a year ?
stuttgartmetal said:
The last two times cars became investments over bricks and mortar the bottom fell substantially out of them
I can see 964's at 25k again.
Still getting used to the various model designations but i prefer the classic look of the 964headlights.I can see 964's at 25k again.
Sorry for being a pain but which is the model with the fairly disastrous engine issues which caused so much fuss at the time?
Just reading this website and its partially answered the question but doesnt say which size engine as such? Is it the newer watercooled engine that had the bearing issues as opposed to the aircooled?
http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 1st March 09:09
dufusmuppet said:
200Plus Club said:
Just reading this website and its partially answered the question but doesnt say which size engine as such? Is it the newer watercooled engine that had the bearing issues as opposed to the aircooled?
http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
caymen,boxster,911 from 1998 to 2008 (2005 on had stronger bearings) info from cavendishporsche (so yes watercooled).http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 1st March 09:09
Bore scoring is another issue and i havent looked at potential 964/993 issues yet!!
Edited by dufusmuppet on Sunday 1st March 09:46
Going to look at this in ten minutez as its 4miles from my house and he has nice stock generally.
http://www.thecarspecialists.com.mobi.starkwood.co...
2008 have issues generally?
dufusmuppet said:
Not sure!!
Tbh the more i look into it the more im tempted by a m3 v8 approx 25k gets a nice 10/11 plate with low miles.Ive wanted a porsche for as long as i can remember but id have to stretch the budget to get a less troublesome one.
Fair comment. I could realistically get one but my budget is bang on troublesome range prices. The bubble for the genuine aircooled stuff thats nice looks to be 30k absolute minimum and rising. And some of them look very tired at the bottom end of that rangeTbh the more i look into it the more im tempted by a m3 v8 approx 25k gets a nice 10/11 plate with low miles.Ive wanted a porsche for as long as i can remember but id have to stretch the budget to get a less troublesome one.
Been and sat in a 2008 carrera today at The car specialist in sheffield. Its up at £32k and was pretty tidy as I'd expect from there. I could see one of those sat in my garage altho i didn't test drive it. Unmarked interior and only a couple of minor stone chips on the bonnet as faults. Just had new discs and pads up front. Someone recently paid porsche for the privilege of supply and fit 4 tyres to the turbo rims its wearing for almost 1800 quid.
Overall it was exactly as you'd expect of a tidy 911
Overall it was exactly as you'd expect of a tidy 911
cbgt3 said:
Good enough to purchase?
They are great cars, I have loved all of mine and find the overall owning experience superb.
It might sound strange but I enjoy looking at and cleaning it as much as driving it, its the whole overall ownership experience.
Something I am sure you are probably familiar with owning that glorious Sunbeam Lotus.
you made a good point tbh. I have a daily 4x4 i have never washed that is as muddy insude as out yet i wash and clean the Sunbeam every time i drive it and often take the wheels off to clean inside the arches. I've had it on ramps to clean underseal runs out of the chassis after i used bilt hamber a bit too much in warm weather ☺They are great cars, I have loved all of mine and find the overall owning experience superb.
It might sound strange but I enjoy looking at and cleaning it as much as driving it, its the whole overall ownership experience.
Something I am sure you are probably familiar with owning that glorious Sunbeam Lotus.
The ownership aspect and pride of ownership is a big part of something like this. The 911 today was very much something i could easily live with on a limited mileage toy basis and keep spotless. I have a ducati 748 that is concours too and often gets cleaned more than ridden lol
Zingari said:
stuttgartmetal said:
The last two times cars became investments over bricks and mortar the bottom fell substantially out of them
I can see 964's at 25k again.
And 993s I can see 964's at 25k again.
True like a lot of air-cooled I've near tripled my money in just over two years but I didn't buy with that in mind so if the bottom falls out I couldn't give a stuff as I very much doubt it will be worth less than I paid when I eventually sell. Buying now may be a different story.OP put an ad out to try and get in on a deal before a dealer takes it as there will be people who need to sell. I was offered a sub 100k 993 Cpe last month for £25k but wasn't in a position to go and view it. The seller drove it to a specialist dealer who gave him £27k saying he'd retail at £34k+. Any air cooled at less than £30k will need some work and they ALL need subsequent maintenance for which parts aint cheap. As Stutts says some 996 are increasing.
There was a 996TT sold by an Indy on behalf of a customer for £20k last month. 100k+ miles but very good conditon and the new owner is over the moon. A year ago you could pick up a Turbo for sub £20k but not any more. OK the build quality and trim is not on par with earlier or later models but what's not to like in a car that can reach 200mph?
dufusmuppet said:
200Plus Club said:
Now that i like.....
but pricey,ad says 4s but spec say turbo rear wheel drive????Edited by dufusmuppet on Monday 2nd March 10:28
i've done some reading on the IMS /seal issue, but as yet not seen much about "bore scoring" and which engines that might affect
looking at the age of the yellow car above, is that likely to fall into any of the major worry areas?
Zingari said:
If you want a Tiptronic 993 this looks good value (and clearly there is a void bewteen what you can buy them at and what an owner 'thinks' they are worth 
) Although it might now be 'reserved'
http://www.jrmotorcompany.co.uk/porsche-911-993-ca...
i've never had any dealings with a tiptronic box before, are they good/reliable? ) Although it might now be 'reserved'http://www.jrmotorcompany.co.uk/porsche-911-993-ca...
that car looks tidy, but its had a lot of owners and the mileage is creeping. it does look smart and i can see that holding its value.
dufusmuppet said:
The 964 C2 looks sweet. Priced about right?Dapster said:
200Plus Club said:
If it were me I'd go for an "S" with the extra power, and not the 4wd which adds weight and complexity. Is the car going to be a daily (in which case the 997 or 996 is more than capable) or a special for weekends / summer in which case you should try for something a bit more charismatic like the 993/964 although you'll have to double your budget to get a decent 993.As someone has mentioned the 996 engine problems appear more serious than is the case because of internet folklore - think of that before jumping into a 5 year old out of warranty M3....
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