Staying within the law - vehicle history
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Im not sure this is the best place to post this but I will try first. I wont name the restorer but I have come across a very reputable place with some high profile clients that when they sell a restored or modernised vehicle (as long as it doesn't have value adding history) zero the mileage and present the car as a new car. This includes a new pack of handbooks and service records (all reproductions of the originals) and treat the car as a new car so do a PDI and stamp the book etc. In essence then you are buying in documentation terms a new car.
My question is what legal responsibility do you have at that point to record things like mileage on the engine when the mileage was zero'd?
Are there any other legal issues that you would need to be mindful of?
My question is what legal responsibility do you have at that point to record things like mileage on the engine when the mileage was zero'd?
Are there any other legal issues that you would need to be mindful of?
I'm not having my car sorted by the company but many do (and it's hugely expensive) was just wondering if there were any grey areas. I quite like the idea of when I complete my overhaul the car in a way "starting afresh" as it doesn't have any significant history and as someone above says it's not matching numbers so it's engine is newer than the body etc.
Was just wondering if that would put people off but it sounds like it doesn't and whether there was any legal requirement to say note the mileage at engine change / speedo replacement etc. Seems not I guess with such an old car none of that is relevant.
Was just wondering if that would put people off but it sounds like it doesn't and whether there was any legal requirement to say note the mileage at engine change / speedo replacement etc. Seems not I guess with such an old car none of that is relevant.
TooMany2cvs said:
Indeed.
There is no legal requirement for the odometer to say anything about anything. What you CAN'T do is change the reading then sell the car as having covered a lower mileage for more money. That's fraud. Not because of the odometer reading per se, but because of the lying to get more money.
That's not what these restorers are doing. They're selling a freshly restored car as freshly restored, and this is the mileage since restoration.
Excellent point There is no legal requirement for the odometer to say anything about anything. What you CAN'T do is change the reading then sell the car as having covered a lower mileage for more money. That's fraud. Not because of the odometer reading per se, but because of the lying to get more money.
That's not what these restorers are doing. They're selling a freshly restored car as freshly restored, and this is the mileage since restoration.
TooMany2cvs said:
Does this "handbook pack" offer anything over and above a 99p notebook or a simple spreadsheet?
It's reprinted versions of all of the manuals and handbooks that would have come with the car when new including the folder to keep them all in as if you had just bought the car new from a dealer Breadvan72 said:
Or go on eBay and get old ones - that's what I do when I buy an old car that has lost its books. You can even find wallets for them on eBay. I would never use these to make false reps about the car, but I like a car to have appropriate books and, if I can find them, appropriate tools.
I do that too. The interest for me here is primarily the new blank service book. Gassing Station | Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff