NSU Prinz TT, Any knowledge? Values? issues?

[anyoldcardave]

I have one coming my way, fingers crossed,know nothing about them, apart from transporting a project one from Ireland to Essex, years ago.

The car has been long term in a collection, not moved for a few years, the guy has owned it twice, sold it to Ireland, bought it back, and reunited it with its original UK registration, it is a RHD UK supplied car. Transferable valuable plate too.

It looks mint, is insured for agreed value of 17k, will need recommision, but there is a van load of parts with it, nos and used, so that may not be a parts chase.

Are they really worth that kind of money?

Anyone know of issues associated with these cars? Other than rust, which it does not have.

[anyoldcardave]

ChevronB19 said:

I am *deeply* jealous. PM me. When you say ‘come my way’ I assume you own it rather than sorting it for ‘the guy’?

My dad had 5 (!), including 3 at the same time. He rallied them, and despite the 911 engine position, they’re a lot more forgiving handling wise than you might expect. He still has most of the stuff to upgrade a TT to a TTS.

If your mates is orange, even better!

Do you know what, I think it is orange, and a search found another Orange one for sale @ the suggested 17k. I only saw a couple of pics a few weeks ago, and cannot find them, and my memory is not what it was.

Yes I am buying it, with all the spares, apparently he spent 4k on them, and the number plate is staying with the car, I am guessing it is an early car.

He has other cars, the contact that put him in touch with me, suggested a MK1 AND A MK2 Escort, he has not mentioned these and wants the NSU moved on first as a package.
The guy that put him in touch knows I am equipped with the right vehicles to shift things.

No idea what I will do with it, after going through it, and getting it tested, probably tested first, it is on the key apparently, then dealing with any issues raised.
Maybe take it out for a few runs, meets and shows, as the timing is right for this, but honestly, it is going to be tough to take it out, when the GSI Carlton and the Mountune ST3, will be sitting beside it, or the 323i Baur and the V-spec Eunos can drop the roof, they should all be back to road legal in the next month or so.

60,s cars have always been my thing, 70,s too, but recently, like the classic market in general, I have moved on to later very usable cars, fuel injection was a game changer in the reliability stakes lol. They always start, usually lol.

[anyoldcardave]

GTRene said:

I can understand I'm going back also with cars, but then with a twist, say classic but with a lot modern parts, suspension/brakes/ignition or even an engine swap, a bit bigger wheels but a bit old style.

sometimes i see old cars for sale as new, I mean better then new, even underside and all painted and better treated and even all old bolt/nuts brons? plated some are a work of art, almost to clean/lovely to drive in them, afraid of them getting dirty :-)

A car I found some years ago, pulled it from a lock up, where it had sat def, pre 1977, probably longer going by the very low 25k recorded, turned up for sale again recently.

I was tempted, as I knew the car inside out, its history, and had gone through the painstaking re registration, and getting its original reg. when I sold it, apart from some new chrome, lights. original brake parts, and an exterior repaint, it was all as it left the factory.

Looking at the pics, it had been over restored, a perfectly original underside had been painted in body colour, obviously hada full strip repaint, but had aftermarket parts fitted, air filter and other bits, alloy wheels, and the original parts were not with it.

Basically, a very original car, that had survived 50 plus years, never been welded, had been ruined with an over the top restoration it did not need.

[anyoldcardave]

CKY said:

Nice find OP! Sadly a rare car nowadays in RHD 'UK market' trim..

It found me, but lots of cars do, from contacts home and abroad, people have got to know when things need moving, they get moved and rehomed, but you never know what you will find over and above the inintial item.

I once was asked to buy an MGB, in a stable, on a farm, that was needed for a new horse business, I went to look, and went back the following Saturday, with 2x 3.5 tonnes recovery trucks, a 7.5 tonne recovery, a dropside 3.5 tonner and a 3.5 tonne van, and 2 people in each.
The B turned out to be a 1 owner, with cherished plate put on new, pull handle, very early car, with enough nos parts to build another car, including a heritage shell, not correct for the early car, but another 72 came with it, for engine and box and Id, and we built it, literally with all new parts, save the drive train, with nos genuine panels, glass, dash, seats, roof and frame, brakes, screen frame,carpets, lights, you name it, it was there, nos, including a clutch and rostyles, but it got new chrome wires.

One of the big MG restorers snapped up the original car, and the 50k mile Land Rover 90, pick up, still wearing its original canvas taut, was no problem to find a new home for,

I will def go for it, once he is ready to part with it, early April is when suggested and after a few phone chats, he is happy I was reccomended to him, by a mutual friend in Ireland.

[anyoldcardave]

LimmerickLad said:

Nothing to add except my 1st ever car aged 14 was an NSU prinz Sport that I paid £10 for. Thanks for stirring the memory bank OP

I think they were quite popular in Ireland.

My first car was a Renault 16,which I never got on the road, because I could not insure it, being a foreign car, had 3 since, 2 of which are now in Ireland.

I ended up with a Hillman Imp, my sex life suffered lol, so it was quickly replaced with a MK1 Cortina, then a Wolseley !8/85, for one reason only lol.

[anyoldcardave]

LimmerickLad said:

Being only 14 my dad held the keys so I was only able to drive the NSU up and down a lane when he was about.............ironically my 2nd car was a Hillman Imp (HG failure & warped head twice plus no reverse so had to open doors and push it backwards) and would you believe my 3rd car (16 by now) was also a Mk1 Cortina which had been hand painted brown with an orange stripe down the sides.....I also had Wolsely 1885 (tank) would you believe?...it was an automatic and my main memory isn't the same as yours but the 1st time I drove it I pressed the brake pedal with both feet and headbutted the windscreen.

Lol, great minds, mine was an auto too, the gearchange and handbrake on the dash, a blessing, reclining seats, no gap. and going level with the rears, a true passion wagon.

My Cortina was original blue, with a gawdy yellow stripe, and trying to nudge an indicated ton in the Imp, also meant head gasket failure, twice lol, Kept all its gears though.

Auto cars were once quite rare in Ireland, I can remember friends avoiding them like the plague, manual or nothing, that has changed now.

[anyoldcardave]

LimmerickLad said:

Bet you didn't have a Hillman Minx estate with a floor so rotten you could see the road underneath in holes bige enough to put your feet thru right by the pedals ....bit of a fred flinstone car you could say

No, lol, @around 14 I was driving on a local site set up as a learning area, in a Singer Gazelle my Father repaired, that had been wrapped around a lamp post, sideways, the n/s B post was where the driver sat, it really should have been scrapped lol,it was banana shaped, the roof a few feet higher than it should have been, and a little out of shape lol,

Never driven anything that rotten

[anyoldcardave]

MDMA . said:

PH’s resident “slightly overpriced” advertiser has one for sale.

https://www.fairmontsportsandclassics.com/vehicle-...

Slightly lol, I am amazed they sell anything, I had seen it in my research, but as everything else is way overpriced, I guessed that was too, hence asking here.



I do know someone who bought a car there, and it was not as good as described, which he knew on inspection, but wanted one anyway

That is the figure this car has an agreed value insurance policy in place, so it may not be too overpriced, but I am always suspicious of classic dealers, who also sell modern cars lol, the quick fixes to make them look mint, soon become apparent.

[anyoldcardave]

david.h said:

I was entered in the 1967 RAC Rally (the one cancelled because of a national Foot and Mouth epidemic) in one of the NSU110TTS's that (somehow) had been lent to the British Army Motoring Association (BAMA).I was the last minute choice as navigator for Major Freddie Preston- who went on to do extraordinary things in Rallies with Rover 2000's: (and with whom I completed the 2003 London Sydney Rally in a Suzuki Ignis Sport...!) We met up at Bovington and drove up towards London for the start the next day. The car was very quick, but felt nervous/twitchy. The electrics warning light came on during the drive to the start...no alternator (Yes 1967, an alternator! There was a bit of panic, but the NSU importer managed to locate one in West London at the Mercedes Importer's depot (They also were the NSU importer I think) and it got fitted somehow!. I was a bit concerned that the fuel tank was over my knees and there was not much metal between us and anything we might hit! Although as we were waiting around at the start we were upset that the RAC was cancelled I was not totally gutted, because I thought the chance of us getting to the finish did not feel very high! I have no idea what happened to the car and it's twin.
It all ended well, because many of the army crews met up at the Steering Wheel Club on the next day to plot how we could get ourselves into the newly announced London to Sydney Marathon proposed for November 1968. Most of us did blag our way into cars for it! But that is another story.

That is some car history,

I bought a Siuzuki Ignis Sport recently, or rather it came my way as a scrap car, badly faded red paint, a scrape on the rear quarter plastic trim, blowing exhaust, mint impressive interior, and a fun lively thing to drive, trade bought it, and a few weeks later it overtook me on the M25, looking mint.

After reading that, I am looking forward to driving the TT, yours and over posts suggest it is a capable fun car, I cannot see myself keeping it, I have got used to later, very usable classics with some horsepower, never know though, it could impress.

[anyoldcardave]

ChevronB19 said:

If you get bored with it, let me know, my dad is looking for one (hope this is ok with the mods)

If and when, I will put on the classifieds here first lol, and post a link on the thread if that is allowed, yes it does need a recommission as noted in the above post, not so wary of it though, as it drives and there is large parts package with it, and zero rust, that bit I enjoy, as I do taking old things for an mot test,

Might be quicker than I thought lol, Friday night, bored, eBay, I bought another old Ford, a 39 year old Sierra, not seen it yet, other than pictures lol, and when the 105e estate rat rod comes back from gearbox rebuild, there ain,t enough room in the shed. Something will have to give before next winter and I do get bored easily, and buy more when I do.

[anyoldcardave]

Unreal said:

I don't think that car is that badly priced. You'd get it for less. Any TT is quite a desirable and they are a fun drive.

I'd be wary of something that's described as needs recommissioning. That could be anything from an oil change to seized clutch, brakes and knackered suspension and electrical faults.

I agree, and it has just been reduced from 1695, which is the agreed insurance value of the other one.

What is a little off putting, is the description is not the usual " Raving" one, with " appears solid" . Bit like good condition for age lol, vague.

I mentioned the wary of recommissioning with my previous post, not too bothered by it, it drives with zero rust, and comes with a huge spares package.
If it will drive to the MOT shop, that is the first place it will go, cheapest and easiest way to get a good look and find faults.

[anyoldcardave]

lowdrag said:

Not time to read the thread but just spotted that Car and Classic has one which finishes today and currently £10,250

They all seem to have been in Ireland at some point lol, that one is Irish registered, this one has been there too. big jump to 19000 euro now.

The guy has been ill, and a little deaf, but we got a provisional next weekend to dig it out. Got more info though. sort of.

Won,t be going straight to mot, he started on the brakes, so in bits, had a turn and not finished. got it running though.

The car is its original shade of grey, was painted more than 20 years ago at a cost of 3k, lot of money back then for a small car, he mentioned it needing a small repair on rear panel, and attention to the seats.

It is a 1966 I am told, and a 1200TT. A uk supplied RHD car

Then he threw a curve ball, another TT, race/track car, that is very quick and capable, but it is an Audi. I am guessing a MK1 coupe, with a Bam engine, forgot to ask if it was road legal, no idea what to do with or value that lol, but looks like it is coming too.

Edited by anyoldcardave on Friday 29th March 08:32

[anyoldcardave]

Today got cancelled lol, he really wants to fix the brakes first, poor health and poor weather are hindering this, but got more info on the car.

He bought it from the first UK owner, many years ago, it only has 2 recorded keepers, the first, and him twice, has a comprehensive history file. It also had 1 owner in Ireland between his stints.It has covered an apparently genuine 54k.It is a genuine 1200TT, UK RHD supplied, and though he has raced and rallied 1200 TT, S, this one escaped that fate, and has always been a road car.

Intersting story with the Audi too, it is road legal, and currently mot tested, from what I can work out from the long phone chat, it is a very early car, not available with the engine spec in the UK at launch, apparently, so was ordered in RHD, in Germany, and the buyer waited several months for it. declared new at first registration though, so I am told.
It either has had, or is eligible, for an MSA log book, I know little, nothing lol, about these things and getting exact info is hard with him on the phone.
He says it is a sorted, quick, track weapon, with 2 crash helmets on the seats, ready to go, sadly age and health means he will not use it anymore.

He has added a couple of bikes to the list, 1969 Suzuki AS50, I think he said, and an NSU Quickly, a moped I believe. A 2019 Aprilla of some sort, no idea what lol.

[anyoldcardave]

Mr Tidy said:

The Suzuki AS50 seems to be a 50cc 2-stroke, probably a distant predecessor to the AP50 moped we got here in the 70s. The NSU Quickly will also be a 50cc 2-stroke but with pedals being a moped. And either a 2 or 3 speed gearbox depending on the model operated by a twist-grip on the left of the handlebars. Neither is worth much, but the Suzuki might be the more valuable as not so many Japanese bikes sold in the UK in the 60s. The full-scale invasion began in the 70s!

Thanks for the info

Mint bikes do make a few quid, nothing like cars though, which have gone bonkers in recent years. falling back a bit now though, and the Classic Ford balloon has deflated somewhat, not burst, but big drops on some over inflated models. The MK1 Lotus Cortina, for instance, the 100k price tags are long gone, but they were hitting it for a while.

3 door coswoths and Lotus carltons seem to be an exception, still holding up, series 1 Escort turbo, and cosworth too.

I left a number on a scruffy,battered Escort Cosworth, with a ratty interior, out of test but taxed, parked on a London street.