Jaw on the floor - Syvecs/RG FFF/ACT content
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Well Ryan from Syvecs has just finished remapping the car after running in.
Let's just say that I am a VERY happy boy. (Also the traction control is amazing, and the tunnel map... heh heh heh)
Headline figures of 443bhp & 358lb/ft. We finished the run around 7400 as we didn't want to explode the engine.
Massive kudos to the companies involved with the engine - Racing Green (FFF head, lightened flywheel, Symplex chain etc, building it), ACT (Exhaust and Airbox) and Syvecs. And massive thanks from me also. I'm gobsmacked.
Let's just say that I am a VERY happy boy. (Also the traction control is amazing, and the tunnel map... heh heh heh)
Headline figures of 443bhp & 358lb/ft. We finished the run around 7400 as we didn't want to explode the engine.
Massive kudos to the companies involved with the engine - Racing Green (FFF head, lightened flywheel, Symplex chain etc, building it), ACT (Exhaust and Airbox) and Syvecs. And massive thanks from me also. I'm gobsmacked.
Drinks this week could be difficult - maybe next week but work dependant? I might have been got by a scamera van on the way there as well - typical. We'll see how accurate the dash is on the speedo I guess...
I did say I would be completely transparent about cost, so everyone can make an informed decision about their cars...OK, the cost (from what I remember - I tried to blank it out!), was around the £15k mark. That includes VAT.... Obviously as I was spending a chunk with them, certain costs came down, but the exhaust was around £1k, Syvecs £2k. Add the rest in, (VAT £2.5k!), and you get to around the £15k area.
As for these numbers on top of the FFF, I think the biggest area for improvement (especially for the Sag), is the exhaust. I don't have cats, and the car makes a hell of a noise.
(30 second mark url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqIiTKoIaY[/url]). The airbox does have the trumpets, so that will help as well over a standard one.
There is a standard Sagaris FFF that should be going through this remap shortly, so we might be able to see and understand the figures a little bit better.
I did say I would be completely transparent about cost, so everyone can make an informed decision about their cars...OK, the cost (from what I remember - I tried to blank it out!), was around the £15k mark. That includes VAT.... Obviously as I was spending a chunk with them, certain costs came down, but the exhaust was around £1k, Syvecs £2k. Add the rest in, (VAT £2.5k!), and you get to around the £15k area.
As for these numbers on top of the FFF, I think the biggest area for improvement (especially for the Sag), is the exhaust. I don't have cats, and the car makes a hell of a noise.
(30 second mark url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqIiTKoIaY[/url]). The airbox does have the trumpets, so that will help as well over a standard one.
There is a standard Sagaris FFF that should be going through this remap shortly, so we might be able to see and understand the figures a little bit better.
Alex, when you are, shout, as I'm 10-15 mins from them.
Mike, I have asked this question repeatedly. Currently my engine is around the same torque as a 4.5 (there are one or two higher), so what would you actually gain from a higher capacity?
Except of course, if the higher capacity is being held back by the breathing, and we have a huge untapped well of power to dig into. But who is going to be brave enough to uncork their chequebook to that level?
It should be noted that my numbers are before the 8k cut-off. A brief chat with the engine builder today did occur... and we kind of agreed that lightened, forged pistons and and a properly balanced unit, with stronger bolts etc should see another 5-7 bhp - not sure that is worth it TBH. Yes, it would be nice to toss around the 450 figure, but really worth it? When RG sort out the VCT, then it's a thought...
Mike, I have asked this question repeatedly. Currently my engine is around the same torque as a 4.5 (there are one or two higher), so what would you actually gain from a higher capacity?
Except of course, if the higher capacity is being held back by the breathing, and we have a huge untapped well of power to dig into. But who is going to be brave enough to uncork their chequebook to that level?
It should be noted that my numbers are before the 8k cut-off. A brief chat with the engine builder today did occur... and we kind of agreed that lightened, forged pistons and and a properly balanced unit, with stronger bolts etc should see another 5-7 bhp - not sure that is worth it TBH. Yes, it would be nice to toss around the 450 figure, but really worth it? When RG sort out the VCT, then it's a thought...
Yes one way to look at it! DonkeyApple said:
Might not have been the graph if you were wearing those shoes. 
I bet they were over the moon as they were stumped as to why ours were much lower than the demo. But they did mention that they thought each engine was going to need its own map.
Do you know what cam timing you have? I believe on paper it should be low 100s but they are having to advance quite a bit further to get the sweet spot. They were going to build another engine and then test it with different inlet and manifold lengths to find the optimum set up.
Joolz - thank you, and yes, you are 100% right (IMHO). It's a shame TVR couldn't see this.I bet they were over the moon as they were stumped as to why ours were much lower than the demo. But they did mention that they thought each engine was going to need its own map.
Do you know what cam timing you have? I believe on paper it should be low 100s but they are having to advance quite a bit further to get the sweet spot. They were going to build another engine and then test it with different inlet and manifold lengths to find the optimum set up.
'Those' shoes? I was in grey and yellow ones today!
(matches my skin tone and teeth....)They did say the major difference is the airbox and exhaust (minus cats). I'm afraid I don't know about the rest of it - but it'll be wonderful to see them actually build a bench engine and get it to the proper power. (Because this isn't enough..... YEAH, RIGHT!
)I do have to say I love the linear way this engine drives - the more you put your foot down, the more it gives. It may sound really stupid (from me???), but it really makes a difference in this kind of car. The right foot is very controllable, but the Syvecs TC makes a massive difference in the wet.
It's a good question.... Let's put it this way. £10k plus(ish) will get you the cheapest LS3 installed for you by a third party. Other companies you'd see a bill comparable to this, if not more. (Obviously for the LS7 etc you will see much larger bills).
You pays your money....
I went this way with the Racing Green S6 FFF because I viewed it (correctly or not), as the ultimate representation of the S6 that TVR should have put out - the same with my body modifications. I wanted it "TVR, but ultimate TVR". I will say that this is a purely personal view, and I know a lot of people wouldn't agree with me about this. To that I say I'll agree why you disagree with me, but you pays your money....
Let's just say that I am a very happy man, and I * still * go out to the garage and check it's there, to convince myself it's mine. The power figures are icing to the cake really. I just am glad that RG (and the other companies) are putting their money and their products out there. I really wish them all well, as they are keeping the brand alive, along with us nutters enthusiasts.
You pays your money....
I went this way with the Racing Green S6 FFF because I viewed it (correctly or not), as the ultimate representation of the S6 that TVR should have put out - the same with my body modifications. I wanted it "TVR, but ultimate TVR". I will say that this is a purely personal view, and I know a lot of people wouldn't agree with me about this. To that I say I'll agree why you disagree with me, but you pays your money....
Let's just say that I am a very happy man, and I * still * go out to the garage and check it's there, to convince myself it's mine. The power figures are icing to the cake really.
I just am glad that RG (and the other companies) are putting their money and their products out there. I really wish them all well, as they are keeping the brand alive, along with us OlberJ said:
What does an FFF2 on it's own cost then?
It's a fair chunk of the total cost, but then you start adding in the extras that make it such an attractive package. I believe I'm the only one publishing figures, so look at the whole job of being £12-15k. I do have the exact figures, but obviously there are differences with people, jobs done and the like.Cheers Paul - it'll take a while to get close to yours!
MrChips said:
Don.... fantastic result!! and the car looked awesome at Poole. Once mine's back from str8six, i'll give you a shout as i'd definitely like to meet up to see how it compares to the 4.3, and take some decent photos of that paintwork if you'd be up for meeting?
Not a problem at all And once again, thanks everyone. It really is something... now, about those tyres and the suspension...
I have to say the reason I'm looking at the suspension is Mr Blacks fault. (Well, it's good to blame someone).
If his car can stay on the road using Nitrons and R888, then mine will (driver skill not withstanding of course).
RG are looking at / working with AST, and I believe the centre setting is identical to the standard Sag settings. They were told about AST by a famous racing driver. Some say he works not far away from RG, and is a lot faster than the old one...
If his car can stay on the road using Nitrons and R888, then mine will (driver skill not withstanding of course).
RG are looking at / working with AST, and I believe the centre setting is identical to the standard Sag settings. They were told about AST by a famous racing driver. Some say he works not far away from RG, and is a lot faster than the old one...
To be fair it could be me needing to re-learn the car - especially as I'm arriving at corners far faster than I normally would have!
But then again, I am one of very few people who say that the 19" Jade wheel gives a much better feeling over the spiders, so it could be horses for courses and let's see what happens!
But then again, I am one of very few people who say that the 19" Jade wheel gives a much better feeling over the spiders, so it could be horses for courses and let's see what happens!
Everything including VAT was around the £15k area. Of that, the head was about a third of it.
Actually the 19" are heavier and more solid, and I think that is the key to it. They don't flex so much, thus allowing the rubber and suspension to do its thing.
But then again, I certainly have no idea for sure, it's not my field of expertise, and I know a lot of people on here poo-poo the idea that the 19s are better than the spiders. Although I'm not the only person on here running these wheels that says it...
Actually the 19" are heavier and more solid, and I think that is the key to it. They don't flex so much, thus allowing the rubber and suspension to do its thing.
But then again, I certainly have no idea for sure, it's not my field of expertise, and I know a lot of people on here poo-poo the idea that the 19s are better than the spiders. Although I'm not the only person on here running these wheels that says it...
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