What exactly is advanced driving.
Discussion
There is a discussion on the 'Braking to a stop' thread of IAM methods and the perceived requirement to drive 'their' way in order to join 'their' club.
There is a fundamental issue here in that it shouldn't primarily be a club.
Getting some post DSA test coaching, brilliant.
Having it lead to a test, makes sense.
Calling the test an 'Advanced' test because it is advanced relative to the DSA, perfectly logical. Calling the governing body the Institute if Advanced Motorists is understandable but a bit dubious since it's the test that's (relatively) advanced not the motorists.
Forming local clubs so that people can help each other towards the test, fine.
The trouble is that the test seems increasingly to be for the benefit of the club/s not vice versa. People seem to take the test to join the club rather than for it's own sake.
My local bike group is called the Thames Vale Advanced Motorcyclists, and some members actually seem to imagine that they are personally 'advanced' in some way thereby irritating everyone else. I really think the IAM should consider stopping the sale of badges and stickers for members to put on their cars, that isn't what the test should be about. Maybe for a local group with a social side allowing members to identify each other is more understandable
The very term 'advanced driving' can be used to mean either 'driving the way everyone ought to anyway once they've had a bit of practice', or the subtly different 'driving the way the IAM examiners are assumed to approve of'. Neither is exactly 'advanced' in an absolute sense and it's often unclear what type of 'advanced driving' is being referred to.
Can anyone think of a different name for what we all mean by advanced driving? 'Competent +' perhaps? 'Post DSA'?
There is a fundamental issue here in that it shouldn't primarily be a club.
Getting some post DSA test coaching, brilliant.
Having it lead to a test, makes sense.
Calling the test an 'Advanced' test because it is advanced relative to the DSA, perfectly logical. Calling the governing body the Institute if Advanced Motorists is understandable but a bit dubious since it's the test that's (relatively) advanced not the motorists.
Forming local clubs so that people can help each other towards the test, fine.
The trouble is that the test seems increasingly to be for the benefit of the club/s not vice versa. People seem to take the test to join the club rather than for it's own sake.
My local bike group is called the Thames Vale Advanced Motorcyclists, and some members actually seem to imagine that they are personally 'advanced' in some way thereby irritating everyone else. I really think the IAM should consider stopping the sale of badges and stickers for members to put on their cars, that isn't what the test should be about. Maybe for a local group with a social side allowing members to identify each other is more understandable
The very term 'advanced driving' can be used to mean either 'driving the way everyone ought to anyway once they've had a bit of practice', or the subtly different 'driving the way the IAM examiners are assumed to approve of'. Neither is exactly 'advanced' in an absolute sense and it's often unclear what type of 'advanced driving' is being referred to.
Can anyone think of a different name for what we all mean by advanced driving? 'Competent +' perhaps? 'Post DSA'?
R0G said:
AD is a way of extending your thinking which gives you more options to choose from so you can opt for the safest one for any hazard
AD allows you to expand beyond the DSA style of driving and one very simple example might be staying out when you pass parked cars to keep a better view for a little longer providing it is safe to do so instead of pulling back into the left asap
Which could perfectly well be called 'reasonably competent driving'. Once you call it 'Advanced' you raise the question of whether extending thinking and giving yourself options is still advanced if you (for example) BGOL, and whether it matters.AD allows you to expand beyond the DSA style of driving and one very simple example might be staying out when you pass parked cars to keep a better view for a little longer providing it is safe to do so instead of pulling back into the left asap
7mike said:
Didn't the AD groups get together in a darkened room with the DSA & beat each other senseless until they eventually came up with:
"Advanced Driving is the ability to control the position and speed of the vehicle safely, systematically and smoothly, using road and traffic conditions to make reasonable progress unobtrusively, with skill and responsibility. This skill requires a positive but courteous attitude and a high standard of driving competence based on concentration, effective all round observation, anticipation and planning. This must be co-ordinated with good handling skills. The vehicle will always be in the right place on the road at the right time, travelling at the right speed with the correct gear engaged and can always be stopped safely in the distance that can be seen to be clear."
Yes, but I refer you to my previous answer."Advanced Driving is the ability to control the position and speed of the vehicle safely, systematically and smoothly, using road and traffic conditions to make reasonable progress unobtrusively, with skill and responsibility. This skill requires a positive but courteous attitude and a high standard of driving competence based on concentration, effective all round observation, anticipation and planning. This must be co-ordinated with good handling skills. The vehicle will always be in the right place on the road at the right time, travelling at the right speed with the correct gear engaged and can always be stopped safely in the distance that can be seen to be clear."
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