Advanced driving - good driving or mr loop hole?

[Jon1967x]

Quite a few threads on here seem to be more concerned with how to get one up on other motorists and less about good safe, sensible road craft. So what is "Advanced driving"?

Is it "Advanced" to loop round a roundabout to jump ahead of traffic or to use a filter lane and do a U turn? I'm not looking to preach on etiquette etc, its a genuine question on what this part of PH is for.

I imagined "Advanced" was to make safe and sensible progress, understand situations better and be safe. I'm no angel, I have been known to drive above the speed limit for instance, and I was expecting to see more about views on difficult junctions, debates on road position etc in the off chance I learn something. A healthy debate about when to filter in when there is a lane closure would be constructive (I believe if we all filtered at the point of closure when queueing it would avoid all the bumper to bumper blocking etc, but as most people don't do that it's a dilemma whether to drive past everyone and just expect to be let in.)

So my question - is "Advanced driving" about getting from A-B as quickly as possible by being smarter than others by using every trick at your disposal or is it about driving respectfully and considerately, road aware and sympathetic and being safer (which can still be quick where conditions allow)?

[Jon1967x]

trashbat said:

Going a hotly disputed number of degrees around a roundabout might make better progress without really upsetting anyone.

I beg to differ - I think it would annoy most of the people who have queued in the left lane

I agree there's a line, its just that the tone of some posts seems to be that being discourteous to other drivers is ok if "technically" its ok, and that its actually a badge of honour to find a way to manipulate a situation even if that causes frustration amongst other road users.

I thought "advanced driving" was controlling your environment, and making another driver see red is not doing that. Being "right" doesn't make you "safe".

[Jon1967x]

I think the last 2 posts are much more in line with my thoughts than the other responses.

I wasn't only referring to a safe over take. Some of the other threads by virtue of being on the Advance driving subsection are implying (or asking) that to pass a load of cars and double back, go round a roundabout to jump a queue, go the wrong way and do a U-turn etc are all good examples of driving. Those questions may be better answered under the law section on whether legal.

[Jon1967x]

Martin4x4 said:

The problem with this is that too many posters use questions like that to call the poster an idiot; typically proving Darwin's judgement on ignorance in the process, but still stifling discussion.

Yep.. Some people post like they drive, I was just hoping not to find them on a forum about advanced driving.

[Jon1967x]

waremark said:

So we have got onto the subject of conspicuity. I have recently acquired a car with a very loud exhaust, and a sport button which lets you choose to drive more or less quietly. I love the roar from wide open throttle with the exhaust valve open. I wonder whether and/or why I might aim to be more discrete.

There are a few AM owners on here. I guess there's being noticed in a good way and bad way. I've had the odd car or van want to compete and I just don't entertain the idea. I''ve also suspected some cars just want to get close to hear the engine!