Does heel/toe cause any extra wear on any parts of the car?
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I cannot seem to find any information that heel and toe is bad, in anyway for your car. Or am i incorrect?
The reason being is i have started doing this on a regular basis (once the engine is warmed up and can blip the throttle without worry), and do not want to create unnecessary wear and tear.
I much prefer driving in this way as it is a much smoother ride and keeps me in the correct gear without juddery engine breaking.
So if anyone could tell me what they know about this subject that would be great. Thanks in adavnce.
The reason being is i have started doing this on a regular basis (once the engine is warmed up and can blip the throttle without worry), and do not want to create unnecessary wear and tear.
I much prefer driving in this way as it is a much smoother ride and keeps me in the correct gear without juddery engine breaking.
So if anyone could tell me what they know about this subject that would be great. Thanks in adavnce.
Thats fine, i'm not too fussed on wearing down brake pads/ discs as they're not too much of an issue to replace.
It's true yes i would only heel/toe when "making progress" or whatever everyone on this site calls speed lol.
I'm more concerned about the clutch/gearbox/driveshaft; the major parts more than worrying about consumables.
Thanks for the reply Daschund.
PS you say that you can brake harder using the H/T method, how is that so, because there is no worry of the rear locking up at speed?
It's true yes i would only heel/toe when "making progress" or whatever everyone on this site calls speed lol.
I'm more concerned about the clutch/gearbox/driveshaft; the major parts more than worrying about consumables.
Thanks for the reply Daschund.
PS you say that you can brake harder using the H/T method, how is that so, because there is no worry of the rear locking up at speed?
Thats fine, i'm not too fussed on wearing down brake pads/ discs as they're not too much of an issue to replace.
It's true yes i would only heel/toe when "making progress" or whatever everyone on this site calls speed lol.
I'm more concerned about the clutch/gearbox/driveshaft; the major parts more than worrying about consumables.
Thanks for the reply Daschund.
PS you say that you can brake harder using the H/T method, how is that so, because there is no worry of the rear locking up at speed?
It's true yes i would only heel/toe when "making progress" or whatever everyone on this site calls speed lol.
I'm more concerned about the clutch/gearbox/driveshaft; the major parts more than worrying about consumables.
Thanks for the reply Daschund.
PS you say that you can brake harder using the H/T method, how is that so, because there is no worry of the rear locking up at speed?
This site is acting weird and displaying my post twice before i have even finished typing!
Is it because when engine breaking there is a variation in engine/transmission speed which meshes together, causing the tires to lose a bit of adhesion as the car readjusts? Or am i talking crap lol
Is it because when engine breaking there is a variation in engine/transmission speed which meshes together, causing the tires to lose a bit of adhesion as the car readjusts? Or am i talking crap lol
Lots of good information there, i'm not familiar with roadcraft although i have just ordered it from amazon yesterday. I also tried to join the IAM but due to Northern Ireland's idiotic and downright dangerous (for motorways) "R" driver scheme i am not eligible as i can only go 45mph for one year.....apparently.
I drive mainly in the city so i don't use it all the time, basically just on, as you were saying, A and B roads on a nice sunny dry day.
I drive mainly in the city so i don't use it all the time, basically just on, as you were saying, A and B roads on a nice sunny dry day.
Yes Daschund what i was referring to was if i didn't heel/toe why i would have to brake slower to avoid the rear locking up and losing control at speed.
I have been practising heel/toe for a good while now and it's very satisying to hear the increased exhaust note combined with a silky smooth downshift.
I used to engine break as i was taught in my test but it's clearly in place as it's the simplist, safest thing to do at low speeds.
However as i move on to more powerful RWD cars i am trying to ensure, as you say, i don't wrap it round a tree and absorb as much driving knowledge as possible.
I have been practising heel/toe for a good while now and it's very satisying to hear the increased exhaust note combined with a silky smooth downshift.
I used to engine break as i was taught in my test but it's clearly in place as it's the simplist, safest thing to do at low speeds.
However as i move on to more powerful RWD cars i am trying to ensure, as you say, i don't wrap it round a tree and absorb as much driving knowledge as possible.
Thanks waremark.
From the offset i felt that downshifting without rev matching was "wrong" for the car.
Basically since i've past my test i'm becoming more and more interested in driving/cars mechanics and am trying to improve my ability as i shouldn't really have been let on the road when i passed. Although from my brief 6 months driving experience i get the impression more and more that a considerable number of people shouldn't be driving, such as today for example:
1. Old woman in hyundai getz in front of me on the way home has both mirrors folded inwards and doesn't even notice, so much for observation.
2. Young woman in a clio trying to parallel park, long story short there is a large queue and she gives up.
3. Guy in toyota celica near side swipes me after changing into my lane without looking, forced to brake.
I consider myself relatively competent driver now, safer than some people on the road for years. But obviously i've still got to learn. I'll be joining IAM when i'm off these "R" plates anyway (which attract police like flies to sh*t).
I can see the dangers on heel and toe, such as foot slipping off the brake, and the potential damage that can be done. I practise usually on A and B roads leaving a large margin for error but i have become, well my impression anyway, at least adequate at the techinque.
My roadcraft book will be here hopefully tomorro so i can read about the techinque you guys were describing.
PS if you're just floating about a city centre and coming up to a red light at 20mph obviously H/T is over kill. Generally i just break until my rpm is abou 1600 and depress the clutch and put it into neutral and "coast" to a stop of 5-10 metres. Is this bad to do? What do you guys recommend?
From the offset i felt that downshifting without rev matching was "wrong" for the car.
Basically since i've past my test i'm becoming more and more interested in driving/cars mechanics and am trying to improve my ability as i shouldn't really have been let on the road when i passed. Although from my brief 6 months driving experience i get the impression more and more that a considerable number of people shouldn't be driving, such as today for example:
1. Old woman in hyundai getz in front of me on the way home has both mirrors folded inwards and doesn't even notice, so much for observation.
2. Young woman in a clio trying to parallel park, long story short there is a large queue and she gives up.
3. Guy in toyota celica near side swipes me after changing into my lane without looking, forced to brake.
I consider myself relatively competent driver now, safer than some people on the road for years. But obviously i've still got to learn. I'll be joining IAM when i'm off these "R" plates anyway (which attract police like flies to sh*t).
I can see the dangers on heel and toe, such as foot slipping off the brake, and the potential damage that can be done. I practise usually on A and B roads leaving a large margin for error but i have become, well my impression anyway, at least adequate at the techinque.
My roadcraft book will be here hopefully tomorro so i can read about the techinque you guys were describing.
PS if you're just floating about a city centre and coming up to a red light at 20mph obviously H/T is over kill. Generally i just break until my rpm is abou 1600 and depress the clutch and put it into neutral and "coast" to a stop of 5-10 metres. Is this bad to do? What do you guys recommend?
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