Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II

[im]

<groan>...out again in a Grand Slam tournament

Always the bridesmaid never the bride...

[im]

ascayman said:

to be the bridesmade he would have had to get to the final not the third round

He did last year...I suppose this year he's just the uncle sitting at the back who nobody talks about...

[im]

Greenie said:

How many times did Henman beat Federer?

Only in the 2nd tier tournaments though...not usually at one of the big 4 events.

Greenie said:

...he's only 22 FFS.

Age when winning their first Grand Slam:

Rafael Nadal 19
Lleyton Hewitt 19
Boris Becker 17
Pete Sampras 19
John McEnroe 20
Andy Roddick 21
Jimmy Connors 22
Andre Agassi 22
Roger Federer 22

So he'll need to get a move on, 22 is at the back end of when a future champion should be winning his first slam.

Edited by im on Wednesday 9th September 15:25

[im]

Greenie said:

So he has a 6-3 record against the greatest tennis player of all time and you dismiss it. Who else has a better record against Federer?

...and in Grand Slam Head-To-Heads?

I mean come on, even Lleyton Hewitt had a slam in the bag at 19.

Sorry, but again I think we Brits have over-hyped one of own - I hope he succeeds but I fear he'll now slide down the table into the also-rans.

All IMHO

[im]

Greenie said:

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

Oh this is gonna be interesting...

[im]

Greenie said:

im said:

Greenie said:

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

Oh this is gonna be interesting...

Not sure if we are allowed to use PH as a gambling format so perhaps we should confirm by email so PM me. Would suggest a GS in the next 3 years and for a few hundred to make the wait worthwhile! Mind you should be all done by dusted by Jan next year at Melbourne.

Nah - not 3 years...crikey, even I'll win one in that time frame...2 years for £100 to the charity of my/your choice?

[im]

Greenie said:

im said:

Greenie said:

im said:

Greenie said:

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

Oh this is gonna be interesting...

Not sure if we are allowed to use PH as a gambling format so perhaps we should confirm by email so PM me. Would suggest a GS in the next 3 years and for a few hundred to make the wait worthwhile! Mind you should be all done by dusted by Jan next year at Melbourne.

Nah - not 3 years...crikey, even I'll win one in that time frame...2 years for £100 to the charity of my/your choice?

I'd feel better at 3 years!! Mind you I'll take £100 for you not winning one anytime soon

OK...can I include Smash Court Tennis on the PS3 where I'm a world beater...?

Edited by im on Friday 11th September 16:14

[im]

Age when winning their first Grand Slam:

Rafael Nadal 19
Lleyton Hewitt 19
Boris Becker 17
Pete Sampras 19
John McEnroe 20
Andy Roddick 21
Jimmy Connors 22
Andre Agassi 22
Roger Federer 22

Another one to add...

Juan Martin Del Potro 20





Sorry - lets add some more:

Novak Djokovic 21
Marat Safin 20


In fact, just about everybody who's won a Grand Slam has won it by the time they are Murray's age - with the odd exception...ie Gaston Gaudio (...who?)

Edited by im on Tuesday 15th September 11:54

[im]

amare32 said:

Didn't some guy call Lendl not win the first grand slam until he was 24? The guy is only 22 so there's still time. If Murray is still looking to win one by 27 then his chance might have passed but Federer and Nadal won't be around to dominate forever so there's still a chance.

Absurd to compare Murray to Henman - at least he's reached a slam final already.

The comparison was really to highlight the fact that like Henman before him he appears to be freezing when it gets down to the final stage(s) of a Grand Slam where the men are sorted from the boys. Murray is at the age now where if he's not to be another Henman he must start winning these Slams NOW.

Yes there the odd - and it is odd - player who wins his first Slam after the age of 23 but its rare. You are usually where you're going to get to in the world of Tennis by the age of 22.

I hope he does start winning lots of Slams - the UK is overdue a world beating player, I just fear that perhaps we've overhyped him.

BTW: Henman also won a few 2nd string tournaments as well - which just endorses the comparison AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

Henman also reached the semi's of a Slam so the current comparison is further endorsed and frankly your comment about him reaching a final doesn't actually mean anything...so did Rusedski...and he blew it too.

[im]

elster said:

How many masters did Henman win then?

1

And reached at least 3 Slam semi's

...like I said, 2nd string tournaments.

elster said:

Murray is a lot better player than Henman, the only comparison is their nationality and the sport.

Not at this point in time its not.

[im]

OK...so he's through to the Semi Final in Australia having seen off Nadal rather easily (albeit Nadal was eventually forced to retire).

He's now up against Marin Cilic the 14th seed so...

...what could possibly go wrong?

[im]

Yep - just the Fed standing between him and history.

[im]

el stovey said:

im said:

Yep - just the Fed standing between him and history.

He's already the first Brit ever to reach two Grand Slam finals.

Homework!...do some!

Frederick John Perry (18 May 1909 – 2 February 1995) born in Stockport, Cheshire, was an English tennis and table tennis player and three-time Wimbledon champion. He was the World No. 1 player for five years, four of them consecutive, 1934 to 1938, the first three years as an amateur.

As an eight-time Slam winner, Perry is the last British male player to win any of tennis's Grand Slam events, and one of only six men in history to have won all four Grand Slam events.

[im]

Murray: Serial Bridesmaid.

[im]

So...

Out of yet another bloody tournament.

He's starting to make Toothless Tim Henman look like a world beater.



So come on all you Murray supporters - whats wrong now?

[im]

Yep - just win 2 GS's (1 win could be deemed fortunate, 2 less so) to live up to all the hype - then I'll be a convert

[im]

So...Wimbledon semi-finalist...



Its destiny time for AM.








Yep - its his destiny to crash out about me'thinks

[im]

eps said:

Define crash out???

I won't have to - give it till about 4:30 this afternoon...

[im]

I may be proven wrong but his face just doesn't look like he thinks he can win this match.

[im]

MiniMan64 said:

im said:

eps said:

Define crash out???

I won't have to - give it till about 4:30 this afternoon...

I wouldn't consider losing to the World Number 1 "crashing out".

I would consider getting to the semi-final whilst only losing 1 set en-route before playing a man you've already beaten this year but losing in 3 straight sets comprehensively "crashing out".

The title of this thread is still very much valid I'm afraid.