Cipollini - Educate Me
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So I have the basic info from Google - and have found a local stockist of these bikes. I love the look of them and I get the impression they are properly decent kit. I also have a weekend test ride booked in June for the basic frame which is the "Bond", retailing at £2600 for the frameset.
However, I keep coming back to the bike pictured below, the RB1000. I simply love it. Does anyone have any riding experience or knowledge of these bikes, any model?
Thanks
However, I keep coming back to the bike pictured below, the RB1000. I simply love it. Does anyone have any riding experience or knowledge of these bikes, any model?
Thanks
Frameset is up at 4.5k so with an Ultegra build and a modest wheelset (Cosmics) looking at sub 6k for a UCI approved frame.
I am not rushing out to buy this tommorow, but equally, I have not just stumbled across it. It's got my name all over it. That's not to say I am worthy of it, because of course I am not, but, it should last around 4 years until I want an upgrade.
But above all, it has stolen my heart, like the De Rosa. I'm just wondering how much better it is, as right now, I can't imagine a better ride than what I had.
I am not rushing out to buy this tommorow, but equally, I have not just stumbled across it. It's got my name all over it. That's not to say I am worthy of it, because of course I am not, but, it should last around 4 years until I want an upgrade.
But above all, it has stolen my heart, like the De Rosa. I'm just wondering how much better it is, as right now, I can't imagine a better ride than what I had.
duff said:
Aero wheel set - 750
If you loved the Merak why not just get another or something with similar geometry?
The frame set is discontinued and being replaced by the Idol, which I don't like at all. It has no rear scoop and just is not a bike I find aesthetically pleasing.If you loved the Merak why not just get another or something with similar geometry?
There are some red and white Merak frames knocking around but I would want nothing other than the green lined frame - which are all sold out and those that are left are not suitable size wise.
Problem is I really loved the Merak frame and would re purchase. I have decided against the Cipollini, it would be lovely but as mentioned probably not practical or wise from a value point of view.
Another strong contender is this years Cervelo S3 with Ultegra, which I can get for £3k. And yes it is the aero qualities I look for for the summer bike. Fondriest are another brand I am considering, but unsure how they ride.
Another strong contender is this years Cervelo S3 with Ultegra, which I can get for £3k. And yes it is the aero qualities I look for for the summer bike. Fondriest are another brand I am considering, but unsure how they ride.
I know of ooey but I don't want to spend loads on a paint job ideally, I would rather keep my budget to a quality frame and components.
The insurance inspector is due to look at my bike today and I am then going to collect it plus new front wheel, so at least I will have it back later.
I am a bit lost as to what to do really. I have heard nothing from anyone so far, her insurance and my solicitor have not made one phonecall to me, all be it my legal cover could take a month even to get into contact with me.
So tempted to just go out and buy something. Either way I am going to need a replacement and I am now starting to get depressed at the thought of having no decent bike for the rest of the year. I was doing so well in terms of mileage and pace and it all feels like it is starting to crash down around me now.
Yeah I have the Bianchi but it is nowhere near the same.
The insurance inspector is due to look at my bike today and I am then going to collect it plus new front wheel, so at least I will have it back later.
I am a bit lost as to what to do really. I have heard nothing from anyone so far, her insurance and my solicitor have not made one phonecall to me, all be it my legal cover could take a month even to get into contact with me.
So tempted to just go out and buy something. Either way I am going to need a replacement and I am now starting to get depressed at the thought of having no decent bike for the rest of the year. I was doing so well in terms of mileage and pace and it all feels like it is starting to crash down around me now.
Yeah I have the Bianchi but it is nowhere near the same.
Rocksteadyeddie said:
Surely if the inspector says you need a new from wheel and a pair of forks you're on a bit of a loser?
I am not sure how he can when the bike shop he is visiting to look at the bike have documented, and sent me the copy, clearly stating due to the level of impact plus transfer of force on the wheel, fork and frame, the entire frame is no longer trustworthy to ride and will need replacing. I have no front wheel anymore and I think the gear mech is broken at the back, so it is either a complete new full bike, or new everything else to go with what's left and working on the damaged bike. The cost plus helmet, gloves and wheel upgrade comes to 3.5k, so this should be a minimum of what I can expect to receive.I have instructed a solicitor now in any case, seeing as communication has been so poor, so I presume they will go down the full route of damage, injury and time of work etc etc etc.
I would hope it wouldn't take that long, plus as has already been said to me by the insurance company, it will be a like for like replacement / equivalent cash value.
And yes my leg may not be broken but it has still been injured, and I have three sides of A4 medical notes to cover that thank you very much - so it is still an avenue I may pursue.
Anyway I have the bike back now. It looks totally fine to me, only problem I can see is no front wheel (obviously) which is easily replaced, and a broken left shifter. The rest of it looks fine and appears to work. The bike shop have said it needs a full replacement, stem, bars, frame and gearset. I am not an expert but I am pretty sure a new front wheel and an new shifter on the left side would put the bike back to where it was. I am not sure the bike shop have properly looked at it, they have not contacted me as usual, it has been me pestering them, and what he told me in the shop about the gears, quote "the rear mech has had it, the chains all caught up, I don't know what's going on there" is b
ks, as I got home, put the chain back on the front cog and the gears all work fine.
Might need a second opinion. It's about the last straw I have had with my LBS. Their rep has gone down rapidly amongst local riders over the last year and I have not felt like I have been dealt with well by them. The chap didn't even seem particularly interested in any of this, and when I was telling him about online frame replacements he just nodded and stared at his screen doing whatever he was doing. No wonder they are struggling.
And yes my leg may not be broken but it has still been injured, and I have three sides of A4 medical notes to cover that thank you very much - so it is still an avenue I may pursue.
Anyway I have the bike back now. It looks totally fine to me, only problem I can see is no front wheel (obviously) which is easily replaced, and a broken left shifter. The rest of it looks fine and appears to work. The bike shop have said it needs a full replacement, stem, bars, frame and gearset. I am not an expert but I am pretty sure a new front wheel and an new shifter on the left side would put the bike back to where it was. I am not sure the bike shop have properly looked at it, they have not contacted me as usual, it has been me pestering them, and what he told me in the shop about the gears, quote "the rear mech has had it, the chains all caught up, I don't know what's going on there" is b
ks, as I got home, put the chain back on the front cog and the gears all work fine.Might need a second opinion. It's about the last straw I have had with my LBS. Their rep has gone down rapidly amongst local riders over the last year and I have not felt like I have been dealt with well by them. The chap didn't even seem particularly interested in any of this, and when I was telling him about online frame replacements he just nodded and stared at his screen doing whatever he was doing. No wonder they are struggling.
I know I am lucky to have another road bike, which I fully intent to make use of in the meantime. As for an injury claim, I am not personally interested but I had hoped with that in mind the insurance company would be a little keener and swifter to deal with me. As it happens they have not been, I have not been contacted. It took three phone calls from me for them to even book their bike inspector. There is now the added question mark of liability as the insurance company is being vague and hinting the driver is not accepting liability, hence why now I feel it may be easier to just go through a solicitors and allow them to deal with this in whatever way they see fit.
The insurance are not disputing the damage or financial loss to replace... only whose fault it was and only because this girl has nothing to lose by going down this avenue. It was predict able I guess. Im going to have to sit it out but cheque or no cheque it will be replaced. Luckily I have legal cover through work which covers this else it really would be a total loss.
Fotic said:
Be honest- what is the actual loss to you in this?
The issue is I have the shop who supplied me the bike a year ago telling me it is a total loss, they won't even test ride it, and have documented me a full replacement. What I don't know is whether they are just doing this in order to "do me a favour" and themselves, i.e trying to get me a new bike and themselves another sale. They are not being very communicative and I personally think the bike is fixable.I am taking it for two second opinions with fresh eyes next week which will help.
I have just cleaned the bike down and the worst I can find is this which is visible on the rear of the left side fork:
I quite agree Pablo and that is re assuring to hear as I too don't believe the carbon has been compromised. I have been over it with a toothcomb and examined it up close and I believe it will be fine, which is why I am now going o get a couple of second opinions and simple quote for a wheel and shifter replacement. If that is all that is required then so be it.
In terms of my LBS I am unsure as to their stance. I think what's happened is they have simply written it off in the knowledge it is an insurance claim, and used the fact it is a carbon frame to justify this. They state there is no way the frame can be trusted with the amount of damage that has occurred to the front wheel. That's their opinion, and as I stated I have tried to delve deeper into what they actually think to be met with very little response and vagueness. The icing on the cake was when I was told the groupset was ruined and needed replacing. When I got home, I placed the chain back on the front ring ( it had not been touched ) and instantly the gears all work and everything goes round fine. So I doubt they have even inspected the bike at all, which I find very disappointing. But then they probably think they are doing me a favour. However, had they bothered to contact me and discuss the bike with me as I expected, maybe we would both be on the same page.
In terms of the claim, I don't know what's going to happen. I have a solicitor now dealing with it, and I have the police report, the medical notes and the bike shop's documentation. I also have an independant witness. What will come of that will come in time, so I have no option but to wait on that one.
In terms of this thread I accept I may have been a bit whingy, and yes, good point that others on here have been though worse. However, I have used it as a means to vent and gather overall opinion, which has really helped. This process is a first for me and I am incredibly impatient, so I wanted to explore all options. This has been further complicated by knowing my frame is discontinued, and that there are literally one or two left online at certain sites in my size. My thoughts have been all over the place, should I buy now and wait payment later, or sit it out, or get a brand new bike? etc etc etc
Anyway, hopefully a simple shifter and wheel is all that is required. Anything else, i.e. the claim, I will deal with as and when I hear back from the solicitors.
In terms of my LBS I am unsure as to their stance. I think what's happened is they have simply written it off in the knowledge it is an insurance claim, and used the fact it is a carbon frame to justify this. They state there is no way the frame can be trusted with the amount of damage that has occurred to the front wheel. That's their opinion, and as I stated I have tried to delve deeper into what they actually think to be met with very little response and vagueness. The icing on the cake was when I was told the groupset was ruined and needed replacing. When I got home, I placed the chain back on the front ring ( it had not been touched ) and instantly the gears all work and everything goes round fine. So I doubt they have even inspected the bike at all, which I find very disappointing. But then they probably think they are doing me a favour. However, had they bothered to contact me and discuss the bike with me as I expected, maybe we would both be on the same page.
In terms of the claim, I don't know what's going to happen. I have a solicitor now dealing with it, and I have the police report, the medical notes and the bike shop's documentation. I also have an independant witness. What will come of that will come in time, so I have no option but to wait on that one.
In terms of this thread I accept I may have been a bit whingy, and yes, good point that others on here have been though worse. However, I have used it as a means to vent and gather overall opinion, which has really helped. This process is a first for me and I am incredibly impatient, so I wanted to explore all options. This has been further complicated by knowing my frame is discontinued, and that there are literally one or two left online at certain sites in my size. My thoughts have been all over the place, should I buy now and wait payment later, or sit it out, or get a brand new bike? etc etc etc
Anyway, hopefully a simple shifter and wheel is all that is required. Anything else, i.e. the claim, I will deal with as and when I hear back from the solicitors.
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