Licence or ban cycling in London
Discussion
I really don't see cycling to work in central London viable
We are spending millions changing the road for cyclist
How is it then that they feel free to ignore the Highway Code
I ride a GS1200A to work and it's a freeforall riding from Vauxhall to Streatham
Mainly men completely taking the bus lane shabbily cycling home
The WestEnd is similar with several shouty types on bikes
First of, the cost
Why are we spending millions promoting cycling in London?
Like NewYork, London is too busy and dangerous
Secondly. How is it cyclists can do what they like?
Discuss
We are spending millions changing the road for cyclist
How is it then that they feel free to ignore the Highway Code
I ride a GS1200A to work and it's a freeforall riding from Vauxhall to Streatham
Mainly men completely taking the bus lane shabbily cycling home
The WestEnd is similar with several shouty types on bikes
First of, the cost
Why are we spending millions promoting cycling in London?
Like NewYork, London is too busy and dangerous
Secondly. How is it cyclists can do what they like?
Discuss
Rich_W said:
Here's some facts for your bulls
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2013.
Fatalities on the Roads of the UK
Car Occupant 785
Cyclist 109
Just for balance
Pedestrian deaths 398
The most common near miss I encounter on my commute is pedestrianst2013.
Fatalities on the Roads of the UK
Car Occupant 785
Cyclist 109
Just for balance
Pedestrian deaths 398
Usually they are looking the wrong way, or are in another world on their phone, or just standing in the traffic.
They even look straight at me, and then step in front of 350kg of yellow BMW with me on it.
They do come to, by then they're usually nearly under the bike
I don't steer round them, I anchor up.
However look at the data you've thrown up there
As a percentage of road deaths , looking at proportionality, look how large that numbers or cyclists deaths is
Do you see?
Hundreds of thousands of pedestrians, millions, 400 deaths
Are there a quarter of the number of pedestrians on cycles
Are there
Hmm?
No.
That's right
No
It's a far smaller number
A fraction of the number of pedestrians
Maybe as few as one in a hundred of the daytime population of London go there on a pushbike.
Looked at in relation to the data it magnifies the issue
Do you see that ?
It follows by that ratio the number of deaths is around 10,000/400
Or 25 times.
I'm just pulling figures out of the air here, but you can see the sketch there, can!t you?
Hmm.
[Figures for road deaths in London in 2013 pedestrian.and cyclist were 65 and 14 respectively
Almost the same ratio to the number you quote 4:1 ]
And licence wise, these should issued by TfL
After proficiency standards are met
These could be governed and cycling disqualification in urban areas could be enforced upon the riders who can't ride safely
Safely.
Nothing to do with cars or motorcycle
It's a different thing altogether
Edited by stuttgartmetal on Sunday 15th January 23:16
Tax is the reason
Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
It won't be long till there will be some kind of system that will mean hmgov will get paid by cycle users and abusers
Cycling in London is not compatible with safety until fewer cars compete for space
I'm all for a £25 per day congestion charge
And a £1000 road tax imposition on cars in London
Lower pollution is the way forward for London
And the end to single occupants in cars in an endless stream of traffic
Councils such as Lambeth, who tax cars off the road.
Ten years ago every street through Camberwell Dulwich Denmark Hill had cars parked at the side of the road everywhere
Lambeth cleared the lot
20mph zones kill driving in London at night
This is all what the future holds
So less of the swivel eyed dribbling lunatic on the internet quotes
On your bike.
Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
It won't be long till there will be some kind of system that will mean hmgov will get paid by cycle users and abusers
Cycling in London is not compatible with safety until fewer cars compete for space
I'm all for a £25 per day congestion charge
And a £1000 road tax imposition on cars in London
Lower pollution is the way forward for London
And the end to single occupants in cars in an endless stream of traffic
Councils such as Lambeth, who tax cars off the road.
Ten years ago every street through Camberwell Dulwich Denmark Hill had cars parked at the side of the road everywhere
Lambeth cleared the lot
20mph zones kill driving in London at night
This is all what the future holds
So less of the swivel eyed dribbling lunatic on the internet quotes
On your bike.
Thanks for your replies
I've spent the time thinking this through while riding to work
Point one, I took on board was, do cyclist cause as much trouble as car drivers
I think, no
They seem to be more of a danger to themselves
The polystyrene stuck on their heads are just the result of h+s gone mad
I generally discount their presence on the road as an irrelevance.
All that huffing and puffing ,shabbily dressed
Yeah
I now just think
......meh.......
I've spent the time thinking this through while riding to work
Point one, I took on board was, do cyclist cause as much trouble as car drivers
I think, no
They seem to be more of a danger to themselves
The polystyrene stuck on their heads are just the result of h+s gone mad
I generally discount their presence on the road as an irrelevance.
All that huffing and puffing ,shabbily dressed
Yeah
I now just think
......meh.......
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