The Ring and things newbies should know
Discussion
Hi, not sure if anything like this has been done before?
As some who uses this fantastic facility on a very regular basis, I thought that just mabe it would prove helpful for the first timers or 'not very many timers' if the more experienced among us could pass on tips/advice/warnings and so on.
My line of thought came about after a fairly crap Sunday of closures (something that is becoming much too regular) because of the crashes etc.
One point that many do not know, or simply ignore, is the fact that this is NOT a race track, it is a Public Toll Road that is governed by German Traffic Laws.
So, anything that comes to mind that could help the new Ringers?
Perhaps things such as It is illegal to overtake on the right (not very often a Brit plated car) but seems to be happening more and more.As instructors are encouraged/expected to notify the Ticket Office of such things, dont think that as most Marshals post are unmaned, you might not have been seen!
Not being a killjoy-simply concerned that IF this years carnage is to continue, could the Rhineland Pfaltz government to forced to stop TF days?
As some who uses this fantastic facility on a very regular basis, I thought that just mabe it would prove helpful for the first timers or 'not very many timers' if the more experienced among us could pass on tips/advice/warnings and so on.
My line of thought came about after a fairly crap Sunday of closures (something that is becoming much too regular) because of the crashes etc.
One point that many do not know, or simply ignore, is the fact that this is NOT a race track, it is a Public Toll Road that is governed by German Traffic Laws.
So, anything that comes to mind that could help the new Ringers?
Perhaps things such as It is illegal to overtake on the right (not very often a Brit plated car) but seems to be happening more and more.As instructors are encouraged/expected to notify the Ticket Office of such things, dont think that as most Marshals post are unmaned, you might not have been seen!
Not being a killjoy-simply concerned that IF this years carnage is to continue, could the Rhineland Pfaltz government to forced to stop TF days?
I wouldnt count on it never closing ; ).
And lets not forget the injuries that have arrisen from some of those crahes.Bikers have not had a good year either.
The local police are getting a little tired with the incident rate-these things do have a habit of escalating when looked at as a whole.
And lets not forget the injuries that have arrisen from some of those crahes.Bikers have not had a good year either.
The local police are getting a little tired with the incident rate-these things do have a habit of escalating when looked at as a whole.
Edited by terenceb on Tuesday 28th October 10:17
Basically no, the reason being tha the art collection that was put up as collateral had alreay been used for a rather expensive house elsewhere.
Situation now is that Capricorn now has until 31st July to raise the money with some answers ready by the end of March, at present it is looking fairly grim to say the least.With the State threatening to close it if the funds are not available by March, or at least, proof of, with the money on there table by July.
Heard some 'talk'of the Industry Pool buying it with ADAC doing the
managing, but as said, that was 'talk'.
Situation now is that Capricorn now has until 31st July to raise the money with some answers ready by the end of March, at present it is looking fairly grim to say the least.With the State threatening to close it if the funds are not available by March, or at least, proof of, with the money on there table by July.
Heard some 'talk'of the Industry Pool buying it with ADAC doing the
managing, but as said, that was 'talk'.
Good points there-thanks.
One thing we tend to ask is if customers have played any video games.Most answer yes, they get told to forget what they have seen because of the points mentioned .Crashes DO seem to be increasing though, and yes usually involve new comers-one of the reasons for this topic.
One thing we tend to ask is if customers have played any video games.Most answer yes, they get told to forget what they have seen because of the points mentioned .Crashes DO seem to be increasing though, and yes usually involve new comers-one of the reasons for this topic.
Latest news is that Capricorn has come up with some money (for now?) But good news? Who knows!
Wheel drive cars fitted with "Fed Ex's"???? Lol
BUT, good point that I dont think anyone else has mentioned yet.Nothing more dangerous than a slow car blocking or switching lanes without checking the mirrors before moving across ANY road.
Wheel drive cars fitted with "Fed Ex's"???? Lol
BUT, good point that I dont think anyone else has mentioned yet.Nothing more dangerous than a slow car blocking or switching lanes without checking the mirrors before moving across ANY road.
rallycross said:
New arrivals should have to attend a briefing that explains what happens if you bend a barrier or worse cause a track closure. Also show some photos of what happens when your talent runs out, why you should wear a helmet and how long it takes to get back to the uk if you smash your car up!
TF days are not like a uk track day and this is a circuit that deserves some respect from new drivers.
Exactly what happens when renting from RSR and R4R, videos of what can happen and how quickly it will happen when tryinh too hard too soon.TF days are not like a uk track day and this is a circuit that deserves some respect from new drivers.
Alternative would be to READ the rules and regulations on the board outside the ticket office !
"Oh, I thought it was all in German "isn't good enough.Take the time to read it, it takes all of five minutes, you never know, it might just save you some cash.
Nearly forgot-Capricorn have allegedly secured an investor-being Russian that hasn't gone down very well with local people.
Edited by terenceb on Sunday 2nd November 06:14
Good points-thank you.Point three re ADAC cover, bare in mind that recovery through Bongard will cost around 350 € just to get you down to here, Breidscheid , leave the car overnight will be another 70 ish!
Dont get sucked in by the claims of people telling of the countless laps they have done-how many of those laps were really good laps?
Yes, the more you do the better you should hopefully become-but its unlikely you'll get really clear laps on TF days, unless its very early on a mid summers morning that just happens to be completely dry.
Dont get sucked in by the claims of people telling of the countless laps they have done-how many of those laps were really good laps?
Yes, the more you do the better you should hopefully become-but its unlikely you'll get really clear laps on TF days, unless its very early on a mid summers morning that just happens to be completely dry.
Yes you are right, it has been known to happen but not everytime.
Also the point on kerbing, out of 170 kerbs there are only 3 that are anywhere near usable, but still not advisable.Just dont use any because quite a few WILL unbalance the car, possibly even damage the suspension/steering geometry-it aint worth it! There are quite a few drivers who probably wish they had'nt used some sections!!!
Just come and enjoy it, lap records simply dont happen after a handful of laps and besides, who takes any notice?
Also the point on kerbing, out of 170 kerbs there are only 3 that are anywhere near usable, but still not advisable.Just dont use any because quite a few WILL unbalance the car, possibly even damage the suspension/steering geometry-it aint worth it! There are quite a few drivers who probably wish they had'nt used some sections!!!
Just come and enjoy it, lap records simply dont happen after a handful of laps and besides, who takes any notice?
CamMoreRon said:
What do you think of using the inside kerb of the.. 2nd(?) right-hander in Hatzenbach? I've seen a lot of cars taking a lot of kerb there, and tried it myself, and I can't quite make up my mind whether catapulting the car over it and unsettling the exit into the immediate left-hander is worth any time or not.
A few years back I asked a similar question of an extremely well known German driver who just happens to know the ring quite well (lol)His reply was that Hatzenbach is one of those areas where "get the first one wrong and the third one will get you".This turns out to be very true, I'm sure quite a few will testify to that!.
However, its not worth being on the gas-braking-on the gas -braking etc.Far better to get your braking done before the very first left-righ kink-balanced throttle through and single arc out and back tight right before second left
.Then very tight to the left kerb before the last right-left having a very wide exit just about kissing the right exit kerb.Every turn being one application of lock (as indeed all turns on the Ring should be)
Because the car is ballanced all the way through, I think you might find it a bit smoother and therefore faster.
TOYNEG said:
some of the roads nr the Ring are even more fun than the Ring itself IMHO. when i was there last in Sept I got up on the Saturday morning about 6:30 and went for a blast around the hills, didn't see one other car and it was driving Nirvana 
Even better when you really get to know them! LolTry the Acht road down to Rewe, or up for that matter, down is one of those "proper tests"its advisable to find out where you need to where you dont brake first though.
As I cant upload the vid I can only guess it would be Brunnchen? Most videoed corner in the world.Most problems there are simply turning in too early, trying to impress the crowds (most of whom are only there because of the amount of crashes!) or just trying to drift the car around it.
Not one of the most difficult of the circuit.Get the back end onto the matrix and yes you possibly will be a youtube feature.
Not one of the most difficult of the circuit.Get the back end onto the matrix and yes you possibly will be a youtube feature.
Everyone considering coming over could do worse than reading through the official Nurburgring guide on Nurburgring Driving Regulations.It points out things such removable steering wheels, Bucket seats and full harness'
s etcetera.Also lays out various do's and donts during your drive.
Far better than making a long trip only to be told your car is not suitable, does' nt happen often but it can.
s etcetera.Also lays out various do's and donts during your drive.
Far better than making a long trip only to be told your car is not suitable, does' nt happen often but it can.
WHAT! Someone has actually taken the time to read them! Lol
Full harnesses are mentioned in there.One reason why the Porsche GT3RS has both types fitted, although we've never had problems with this issue of TUV.Yet!
(Anyone here this w/end?) Open fri till sun and although cold nights (frost?) the days are supposed to be sort of 12ish.
Full harnesses are mentioned in there.One reason why the Porsche GT3RS has both types fitted, although we've never had problems with this issue of TUV.Yet!
(Anyone here this w/end?) Open fri till sun and although cold nights (frost?) the days are supposed to be sort of 12ish.
tertius said:
terenceb said:
WHAT! Someone has actually taken the time to read them! Lol
Full harnesses are mentioned in there.One reason why the Porsche GT3RS has both types fitted, although we've never had problems with this issue of TUV.Yet!
Where? And what does it say? I can't see it.Full harnesses are mentioned in there.One reason why the Porsche GT3RS has both types fitted, although we've never had problems with this issue of TUV.Yet!
I do recall there were issues a few years ago with harnesses (and everything else to do with rental cars, if they were from the wrong company that is) but I can't see anything about them in that document.
Come to think of it, am sure it was from 2013 and the tightening up on use of non TUV approved turn buckles.Not too much of a worry then-unless the marshal who spots any of the things mentioned is in a crap mood.
Come to think of it the section covering this and other items was
Edited by terenceb on Monday 24th November 06:15
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