How legal is this? Offshoring of role, etc

[james_tigerwoods]

Before I consult CAB or anything, I'm intrigued as to how legal this is. I'll summarise where I can:

• Mid January I was told that my role is being "right shored"
• I was told that I had until the end of April which would be when I would be "exited"
• There will be limited payout at 1.5 weeks per year worked (fk all) based on reference salary (and not full package)
• I have to do a handover to my replacement (there isn't one by the way)
• I will be given assistance to redeploy or retrain internally
• No assistance has been given and I only get feedback when I escalate it
• I have been rejected for seemingly ideal roles that, on paper, I am perfect for

I have been assured that it's all legal (grey, but legal) and there is no recourse that I can take but can anyone comment on this at all?

Thanks

JTW

[james_tigerwoods]

desolate said:

james_tigerwoods said:

Before I consult CAB or anything, I'm intrigued as to how legal this is. I'll summarise where I can:

• Mid January I was told that my role is being "right shored"
• I was told that I had until the end of April which would be when I would be "exited"
• There will be limited payout at 1.5 weeks per year worked (fk all) based on reference salary (and not full package)
• I have to do a handover to my replacement (there isn't one by the way)
• I will be given assistance to redeploy or retrain internally
• No assistance has been given and I only get feedback when I escalate it
• I have been rejected for seemingly ideal roles that, on paper, I am perfect for

I have been assured that it's all legal (grey, but legal) and there is no recourse that I can take but can anyone comment on this at all?

Thanks

JTW

Has your employer offered to pay towards legal advice? If so take it.
If not I would contact and employment lawyer and ask them to look over. Initial consultation will either be free or cheap.

CAB better than nothing but you really can't beat proper advice in this situation,even if it's just to assure you they have done everything by the book.

The Union rep (a good guy) who is also on the HR board as the employee rep has stated that it's all "nice and legal" like but I've not had my own consultation.

In addition to this, I'm not sure I want to fight to stay any more....

[james_tigerwoods]

desolate said:

james_tigerwoods said:

The Union rep (a good guy) who is also on the HR board as the employee rep has stated that it's all "nice and legal" like but I've not had my own consultation.

In addition to this, I'm not sure I want to fight to stay any more....

If you don't want to fight then pick up your cheque and leave. If you can find work elsewhere, no point hanging around.

It's a different matter if you can't find work though.

It stinks that this is the way that things are being done - I can't see a real problem with finding work as I'm good at what I do but it's a ballache going through the motions - Really, it's that feeling that you're being stiffed.

[james_tigerwoods]

I get the fact that it's "just business" and all that and I've seen the financial justification so I understand (to a point) - Typing it up here has definitely exorcised a few demons though.

I think I'll ride it out, see what happens and take what I can get - job, money, etc.

[james_tigerwoods]

It's not a TUPE deal - just a case of the job no longer being done in the UK.

[james_tigerwoods]

I know that the skills aren't in India, but that's no longer my concern or problem.

My company have made a decision and I will abide by it.

Writing it down like this is helping me accept that I'm a passenger in this.

[james_tigerwoods]

My manager is as ticked off as I am but it is what it is.

And by there not being skills it's more that they can't find the right person.

[james_tigerwoods]

Du1point8 said:

stuff

I work with some great Indians... I also work with the type you describe.

Proactive and lateral thinking isn't high on their ability list...

I fail to see how they'll manage site visits which is key to my role, but good luck to them.

[james_tigerwoods]

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Yeh, my employer is doing this too....

[james_tigerwoods]

Vaud said:

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In my experience these things happen:

• Systems Integrator (lets call them HAL so they are one step ahead of IBM) tell the board (via IT director or CFO) they can provide a gold/silver/bronze/iron/dust service at x cost levels
• HAL runs a number of business case and service levels
• The business gets told that through this wonderful new partnership that will help the company more forward strategically a new service model will be implemented involving HAL who will provide a transformation in service and access to new insights for the business
• The CFO approves "iron" or "dust"
• The CIO has to live with it having promised "gold" to the business
• The business can't work out the gulf between the promise and the execution
• Generally the SI meets their SLA (at least after transition) as the penalties are too high not to. The fact that these SLAs are vastly poorer than the initial ambition is not shared with the business.

Cynic, moi?

But that is how these work. The deal is sold to the CFO, not the CIO. In many businesses, of note UK ones, the CIO reports to the CFO still - IT is not viewed as a strategic (board position) issue in many UK organisations - so it lives where it started, in the first functions that were IT enabled - payroll within finance.

Yes, there is a lot wrong with this picture.

That sounds like my company. Only worse.

I shall not name names. But the name contains a sign of the zodiac that typically fits in June