Starting work on time?
Discussion
Simple question.
Person is employed from 8am - 2pm in a manual role on £8-£10 per hour. They are required to wear a uniform which is kept at work.
What would you expect?
A: Arrive 5 minutes early to get changed and again stop and change at 2 then leave at 5 past.
Or
B: Arrive dead on 8, get changed and ready to start at 10 past then stop at 1:50, changed and leave at 2.
Personally I expect the latter. I know you could argue that they don't get paid for the extra 20 minutes but they don't get paid for travelling too and from work either.
Person is employed from 8am - 2pm in a manual role on £8-£10 per hour. They are required to wear a uniform which is kept at work.
What would you expect?
A: Arrive 5 minutes early to get changed and again stop and change at 2 then leave at 5 past.
Or
B: Arrive dead on 8, get changed and ready to start at 10 past then stop at 1:50, changed and leave at 2.
Personally I expect the latter. I know you could argue that they don't get paid for the extra 20 minutes but they don't get paid for travelling too and from work either.
The basic principal is that they see getting themselves ready for work or leaving should be part of their paid employment.
What irritates is the fact that it's a small group of people in a department. Some do A, some do B.
All of them, A's and B's are on site at least 10 minutes early, if not 20 some days to make sure they get a free parking space. The "A"s normally come in, get changed and chat about the plan for the day. Some of the "B"'s sit in their cars until the last second before coming in by which time the "A"s have actually started work.
Before I "unify" the start time for all to "A" I just wanted to see what others felt as my line manager already see's me as driving the team quite hard and will probably tell me to leave it alone which is not good for the team.
Also, I have another team starting later this year and I want to get things sorted sooner rather than later so the new team starts as we mean to continue.
What irritates is the fact that it's a small group of people in a department. Some do A, some do B.
All of them, A's and B's are on site at least 10 minutes early, if not 20 some days to make sure they get a free parking space. The "A"s normally come in, get changed and chat about the plan for the day. Some of the "B"'s sit in their cars until the last second before coming in by which time the "A"s have actually started work.
Before I "unify" the start time for all to "A" I just wanted to see what others felt as my line manager already see's me as driving the team quite hard and will probably tell me to leave it alone which is not good for the team.
Also, I have another team starting later this year and I want to get things sorted sooner rather than later so the new team starts as we mean to continue.
Not quite Biosafety standards LOL Its a kitchen so uniform stays at work.
The job gets done (just!) in the time they have but often the "A"'s are still finishing the last few bits, mopping floors etc while "B"'s are getting changed to leave.
It's more a case of "A"s starting to get a bit pissed off and one "B" in particular making a song and dance about being "5 minutes early" or very loudly proclaiming they wont be claiming for overtime if they can leave 15 minutes early on Friday as they started a few minutes earlier than they think they should a couple of days.
It's all a bit petty and silly. I just want to stamp it all out, set a standard and enforce it.
Just don't want make sure I'm not expecting too much
The job gets done (just!) in the time they have but often the "A"'s are still finishing the last few bits, mopping floors etc while "B"'s are getting changed to leave.
It's more a case of "A"s starting to get a bit pissed off and one "B" in particular making a song and dance about being "5 minutes early" or very loudly proclaiming they wont be claiming for overtime if they can leave 15 minutes early on Friday as they started a few minutes earlier than they think they should a couple of days.
It's all a bit petty and silly. I just want to stamp it all out, set a standard and enforce it.
Just don't want make sure I'm not expecting too much
condor said:
I think you need to manage that one 'B' in particular out. Sounds like a troublemaker who is stirring up the others, and will likely try to undermine your authority. What does the company handbook say? Would be a good idea to speak to your line manager and ask for his/her advice.
You're right in the first part, For the last question. Line manager will think this...MitchT said:
Part of me thinks that if you're required to wear a uniform for work and can't take it home with you that the time spent getting changed should count towards your working day as it's been imposed by your employer and could be avoided if you didn't have to change at work.
Until I explain that 10 minutes a day over 10 staff means I need to add £3K+ a year to my staff budget.I'm going with option "A" and if problem "B" gets funny they'll be addressed individually.
Cheers all
steveo3002 said:
get your extra 10 mins a day and then get the workers working to rule instead of knuckling down and getting it done in good time
Did you see my comment about not claiming 15 minutes overtime? Seriously, they do this.If "they" (as in a few of them) work more than 5 minutes beyond what they see as their finishing time, 2pm + 5-10 mins for changing, then they write it up and claim at the end of the week. So far not been challenged.
If however I suggest we all POETS because I was in an hour early to save them all time at end of day there is barely a comment.
It's very much a one way street and has been since the "B"'s started.
Shortly I will be setting up another site to mirror the current one, then another planned for 2017/18, then another and no doubt another.
This site, how it works and our practices will be replicated and without me being there to keep tabs I really do think shortcuts will be taken and I don't want to be wasting time chasing up problems that can be prevented.
A flexible system is great as long as it's not abused. I fear it would be in this instance.
Shame, but if people show themselves to be a PITA and disruptive to a team it looks like the team will suffer. Rotten apple... barrel etc
NordicCrankShaft said:
As far as I was concerned when managing/running a kitchen it was a one out all out attitude. Nobody got changed before anyone was done with the clean down. Sounds like you need some team bonding and to teach these people how to work for each other and to do their jobs ore efficiently.
If standards slip after you've gone then you need to manage it and make an example of the worst offender to show that the s
t show will not be tolerated.
Completely agree, that's how is SHOULD be. And, in the private sector its how it works.If standards slip after you've gone then you need to manage it and make an example of the worst offender to show that the s
t show will not be tolerated. Unfortunately this is public sector, unions, bleeding hearts and very soft management. Plus the staff are largely not kitchen professionals doing fairly basic tasks doing it for the money not as a career. The work ethic is strong'ish but life centres around what's going on outside of work not inside.
You're right about the team building, it's the way forward.
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