Being looked over
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Evening PH, I'm after a bit of advice with a few problems I'm having at work at the moment. I'll try and give as much information as possible.
Firstly, I've been with the company since 2007, different departments in that time, but always the same company (Tesco).
I'm currently a delivery driver for the home shopping department, and have been since August 2012 (possibly 2013).
This job has only ever been a stop gap, and I have no desire to work my way up the ladder. I enjoy knowing what shifts I'm doing (same every week), and finishing on time 99% of the time, unless I've made a mistake.
My mangers and team leaders know I want to leave to join the police and currently work with them as a Special. I keep the two separate, other than if im required to go to court. And Tesco does come first as it pays the bills. However I won't do overtime on my days off as it's often when I go on duty. I will offer to stay late most Wednesdays and Fridays though if I can.
I work three days driving, and two driving for the click and collect part of Dot Com. I was never keen on this part, but was told by my original manager it was the only hours they had for me, but if something came up they would change me. That was when I first started and things are still the same. In a way it suits me with home life though.
My brother is 19 and has severe disabilities, he left school in July last year and currently has carers during the day. To explain quickly, he can't do anything for himself, can't walk, talk, feed himself and needs personal care.
Work are aware, but they don't quite get just how disabled he is (no one really does until they meet him). It causes a few problems at home, and things are stressful at home. We also don't have enough carers to cover sickness at the moment.
We recently got a new manager. I explained about my brother and one of three days we struggled with was a Friday. His carer on Friday is a single mum, and if her daughter is poorly she can't look after my brother. My mum and dad both work, and have to take time off unpaid or make the hours up.
I work a Friday and have Thursday off. I asked if I would be able to swap my days off to assist with the care for my brother if it was needed. (The other day this carer works is a Monday, I don't start work until 1800 so if she is off I can help easily). He said he would look into it.
A month later he said at the moment there aren't any hours on a Thursday for me, other than four hours in the evening , which I can't do for two reasons. One it's less money, and two I'm needed at home to help out. He said he would let me know if something came up.
A month ago I heard a colleague was leaving. I asked if they could look at me swapping shifts again, only to be told they had been given to someone else already.
Two weeks ago, another member of staff was sacked (well sent to prison!). He worked Thursdays. I asked if I would be able to take his hours for my Friday shift. I was told they had been given to someone else already. I asked this yesterday.
I've heard it's a driver (and a friend) who has a injury from when he was younger, he got put down to the click and collect due to beING unable to lift, and always needs someone with him. This job is still click and collect, but at a different store, and normally less lifting.
We've both been on the department since it opened, either 2012 or 2013. He joined tesco around five years ago.
I generally enjoy my job, I get on with it. Don't get any complaints other than customers moaning about things out of my control. I've had a couple of verbal warnings. Two for forgetting to sign the log book when we first opened, and one for crashing the van in the yard, and a informal chat about speeding.
I don't enjoy working click and collect, but no one does. No one will do overtime due to how bad it is. Always understaffed etc. But again I get on with it. I moan about how busy it is, but in a jokey way.
Can anyone offer any advice on how to deal with this. I seem to always be looked over for change of hours. It's starting to get me down, and it's annoying being told constantly that someone else is getting what they've asked for straight away and I don't.
Sorry for such a long post, if I've missed anything out I'll try to answer it.
Firstly, I've been with the company since 2007, different departments in that time, but always the same company (Tesco).
I'm currently a delivery driver for the home shopping department, and have been since August 2012 (possibly 2013).
This job has only ever been a stop gap, and I have no desire to work my way up the ladder. I enjoy knowing what shifts I'm doing (same every week), and finishing on time 99% of the time, unless I've made a mistake.
My mangers and team leaders know I want to leave to join the police and currently work with them as a Special. I keep the two separate, other than if im required to go to court. And Tesco does come first as it pays the bills. However I won't do overtime on my days off as it's often when I go on duty. I will offer to stay late most Wednesdays and Fridays though if I can.
I work three days driving, and two driving for the click and collect part of Dot Com. I was never keen on this part, but was told by my original manager it was the only hours they had for me, but if something came up they would change me. That was when I first started and things are still the same. In a way it suits me with home life though.
My brother is 19 and has severe disabilities, he left school in July last year and currently has carers during the day. To explain quickly, he can't do anything for himself, can't walk, talk, feed himself and needs personal care.
Work are aware, but they don't quite get just how disabled he is (no one really does until they meet him). It causes a few problems at home, and things are stressful at home. We also don't have enough carers to cover sickness at the moment.
We recently got a new manager. I explained about my brother and one of three days we struggled with was a Friday. His carer on Friday is a single mum, and if her daughter is poorly she can't look after my brother. My mum and dad both work, and have to take time off unpaid or make the hours up.
I work a Friday and have Thursday off. I asked if I would be able to swap my days off to assist with the care for my brother if it was needed. (The other day this carer works is a Monday, I don't start work until 1800 so if she is off I can help easily). He said he would look into it.
A month later he said at the moment there aren't any hours on a Thursday for me, other than four hours in the evening , which I can't do for two reasons. One it's less money, and two I'm needed at home to help out. He said he would let me know if something came up.
A month ago I heard a colleague was leaving. I asked if they could look at me swapping shifts again, only to be told they had been given to someone else already.
Two weeks ago, another member of staff was sacked (well sent to prison!). He worked Thursdays. I asked if I would be able to take his hours for my Friday shift. I was told they had been given to someone else already. I asked this yesterday.
I've heard it's a driver (and a friend) who has a injury from when he was younger, he got put down to the click and collect due to beING unable to lift, and always needs someone with him. This job is still click and collect, but at a different store, and normally less lifting.
We've both been on the department since it opened, either 2012 or 2013. He joined tesco around five years ago.
I generally enjoy my job, I get on with it. Don't get any complaints other than customers moaning about things out of my control. I've had a couple of verbal warnings. Two for forgetting to sign the log book when we first opened, and one for crashing the van in the yard, and a informal chat about speeding.
I don't enjoy working click and collect, but no one does. No one will do overtime due to how bad it is. Always understaffed etc. But again I get on with it. I moan about how busy it is, but in a jokey way.
Can anyone offer any advice on how to deal with this. I seem to always be looked over for change of hours. It's starting to get me down, and it's annoying being told constantly that someone else is getting what they've asked for straight away and I don't.
Sorry for such a long post, if I've missed anything out I'll try to answer it.
Beetnik said:
You've demonstrated to and told the company that you have no long term commitment to them... and they're reciprocating. Whether you like it or not that's the way the world works.
I can see what you are getting at, but I've been there for nine years, and even if I could apply tomorrow for the police it's still another year or so away from starting. I'd like to think that my time there so far would go some way in my favour. Going to chat to my manager tomorrow about something else so will bring this up.
SpamDisco said:
Have you made a written request for flexible working?
https://www.gov.uk/flexible-working/overview
It might be worth looking at what other companies can offer, although the grass might not be greener...
I've looked, but I don't get paid badly for what I do. Works out at around £9.60 a hour. Same job at other supermarkets is minimum wage. Plus its a 2 mile drive so nice to be home in a matter of minutes. Other stores are in town so would have to pay for parking etc. https://www.gov.uk/flexible-working/overview
It might be worth looking at what other companies can offer, although the grass might not be greener...
Trabi601 said:
It's not just about the hours you want to do becoming available, it's also about the hours you currently do, which then have to be covered.
It may be that your current hours are going to be a challenge to cover if you are moved off them.
These things are never as simple as they first appear - there are many knock-on effects from moving someone around - and, as someone else has pointed out, they know you have no intention of staying with the business, so why create a whole load of work in chopping and changing if they know they'll have to do it again when you walk?
As for flexible working, I'm not sure that caring for a sibling would be considered a priority - they're not a dependent, so in theory it's not your responsibility.
Already found someone who wants the shift I do. It may be that your current hours are going to be a challenge to cover if you are moved off them.
These things are never as simple as they first appear - there are many knock-on effects from moving someone around - and, as someone else has pointed out, they know you have no intention of staying with the business, so why create a whole load of work in chopping and changing if they know they'll have to do it again when you walk?
As for flexible working, I'm not sure that caring for a sibling would be considered a priority - they're not a dependent, so in theory it's not your responsibility.
elanfan said:
Put it in writing formally to both your immediate manager and local store HR person. Don't make accusations but say you seem to have missed some of the opportunities to change shifts. Then it's on record. Explain fully about your brother and request they look into a change as a matter of urgency. Have you asked a colleague if they'll swap with you.
Alternatively go in, in uniform and out the s
ts up the manager!
Seriously though, how will you cope if you get in the Police? They won't be able to pander to your required hours. Things must be tough for your family, your parents in particular and they must be getting older. I'll bet they've never had holidays or any sort of life. Dedicated and loving all credit to them and you but might it not be time to consider local residential care. They can still see him very regularly but you/they also get to have a life - sorry if inappropriate.,
Thread title might be better : Being overlooked
I haven't spoken to the HR manager. Will explain why not at the bottom. Alternatively go in, in uniform and out the s
ts up the manager!Seriously though, how will you cope if you get in the Police? They won't be able to pander to your required hours. Things must be tough for your family, your parents in particular and they must be getting older. I'll bet they've never had holidays or any sort of life. Dedicated and loving all credit to them and you but might it not be time to consider local residential care. They can still see him very regularly but you/they also get to have a life - sorry if inappropriate.,
Thread title might be better : Being overlooked
Regarding the last part. He was due to move out with 24/7 carers last year, but it fell through. Hopefully he'll be going in six months or so (that does sound bad, hopefully...)
sparks_E39 said:
In the past I've worked directly with Kier and knew him back in the day. Very decent guy, working for an employer who only cares about numbers, hard workers such as Kier are definitely overlooked. Upper management were most unhelpful when I worked for them, my direct managers were great but I believe they have all left in the years I've been gone. The problem is st rolls down hill. The senior managerment are under pressure to hit targets, and can make life very hard for the department managers and subsequently the staff under them. I shop often in said Tesco store and I don't recognise anyone!
I hope the Police works out for you mate
You're better than that place!
Theres not many staff left from when you were here! Even less manager wise. Hope things are well with you!t rolls down hill. The senior managerment are under pressure to hit targets, and can make life very hard for the department managers and subsequently the staff under them. I shop often in said Tesco store and I don't recognise anyone!I hope the Police works out for you mate
You're better than that place! They are advertising a shift in the evening on a Friday. Not ideal as its a Friday evening finishing at 2200hrs, but don't start until 1800hrs which will make things a whole lot easier at home. Mentioned it to my team leader today who said he can't see a problem with it, and mentioned it means he can give my current hours to someone else easily. Going to chat with him and my manager tomorrow about it.
Thanks for the replies
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