Hours from sealing deal on a 1M - final thoughts?
Discussion
Hi,
Drove a M135i and a 1M back to back yesterday, together with Mrs Cidered.
- 135i was deeply impressive. Comfortable, great cabin, nice noise, great gearbox, very quick in a straight line and with 5 doors practical as well (i need to take Kid backwards and fowards to nursery, as well as the occasional trackday!). Ugly and dull looking thing though, but I don't really mind about that so much. Missus loved it.
- 1M looked brutal in black, interior not as slick and didn't have so many toys, ride was noticably more firm, missus wouldnt drive it because she doesnt like manual, and she complained (a lot) it looked "chavvy". Did not feel as quick in a straight line and can't comment on either on twisty stuff as a test drive in somebody else's car on busy public roads isnt time or the place to find out. Is less practical, and a bit more expensive.
No contest then -1M it is!
Got a few hours before the full history comes through. It's a two owner car - bit strange considering the milage ~7k) - but the tyres show no evidence at all of track use nor to do they look brand new.
So - considering the BMW used warranty, the modest milage and the fact i'm going to get details of any other work it's done seems all i need to worry about. Anything else to consider? Any little idiosyncracy for a 1M that i need to be asking about? I don't think there is - but thought here is best place to ask!
Cheers,
Drove a M135i and a 1M back to back yesterday, together with Mrs Cidered.
- 135i was deeply impressive. Comfortable, great cabin, nice noise, great gearbox, very quick in a straight line and with 5 doors practical as well (i need to take Kid backwards and fowards to nursery, as well as the occasional trackday!). Ugly and dull looking thing though, but I don't really mind about that so much. Missus loved it.
- 1M looked brutal in black, interior not as slick and didn't have so many toys, ride was noticably more firm, missus wouldnt drive it because she doesnt like manual, and she complained (a lot) it looked "chavvy". Did not feel as quick in a straight line and can't comment on either on twisty stuff as a test drive in somebody else's car on busy public roads isnt time or the place to find out. Is less practical, and a bit more expensive.
No contest then -1M it is!
Got a few hours before the full history comes through. It's a two owner car - bit strange considering the milage ~7k) - but the tyres show no evidence at all of track use nor to do they look brand new.
So - considering the BMW used warranty, the modest milage and the fact i'm going to get details of any other work it's done seems all i need to worry about. Anything else to consider? Any little idiosyncracy for a 1M that i need to be asking about? I don't think there is - but thought here is best place to ask!
Cheers,
JRBM5 said:
Buy both!!!
Stick the 1M in the garage and use it for weekends and holidays and use the 135i for everything else. The 1M i believe will be a future classic and will appreciate in value.
good idea, but believe me i'm in enough trouble now both financially and matrimoniously with getting "just" the 1M Stick the 1M in the garage and use it for weekends and holidays and use the 135i for everything else. The 1M i believe will be a future classic and will appreciate in value.
10% deposit paid, picking her up on Saturday. Will be a tearful goodbye to trusty Megane R26 in part ex, but all good things come to an end. Including possibly my marriage
Thanks for the advice - if there *is* a key weakness i should have asked about, a known dodgy batch, a recall, etc - don't tell me now, as it's done!
EXCITED.
Thanks for the advice - if there *is* a key weakness i should have asked about, a known dodgy batch, a recall, etc - don't tell me now, as it's done!
EXCITED.
Labbetts said:
2 owner car - might be a dealer reg + 1 owner.
Nothing to worry about
V5 looks like two "real" people, each owned for about a year - but a quick scan of linkin and a snoop at their hours via google streetview reveals nice sensible people with sensible houses - good enough for me! Nothing to worry about
sumo69 said:
Out of interest, what px value did they give you?
I have a LY R26 on an 07 plate with 31k miles and I am thinking about upgrading to one of these.
David
6k. privately a 40k 58 plate glacier white would be between 7.5 and 8.5k - seemingly with a premium over even LY, but of course you have no idea how much they eventually go for. I have a LY R26 on an 07 plate with 31k miles and I am thinking about upgrading to one of these.
David
It has a dent from some b
d revsersing into it in Tescos (£720 to fix - deal quote), is due tax and a 40k service, and to be honest the prospect of getting that particular 1M on Saturday, and not having the hassle of boy racers visiting my house to test drive the Megane probably worth the £800 or so it's cost me to trade in! No awkard conversations about track days either...Plainview23 said:
cidered77 said:
V5 looks like two "real" people, each owned for about a year - but a quick scan of linkin and a snoop at their hours via google streetview reveals nice sensible people with sensible houses - good enough for me!
haha!Wow the world is changing!
rtg0616 said:
It has to be the 1M surely! I don't care that the performance is a close run thing, spend a couple of grand on performance enhancements and the 1M is almost untouchable.
If you are planning on keeping it long term, again it's a no brainer. I'm sure the 1M will continue to hold it's value for years to come, especially given it's limited run. You'll just blend into the background of humdrum cars in the 135.
I've just been out in mine. It gets alot of admiring glances. Some guy in a big Merc took about a minute to overtake me on the M1, clearly having a good look!!
Or even try one for a year, then sell it with little loss and then get the 135 ?
I had a similar dilema buying a Z8 a few years back. A mate of mine said, "Well if you have one for a year then have to sell it, at least you can say you've owned one". Good advice If you ask me...
never been a massive BMW fan to be honest before the 1M arrived. E46 driven by just too many knobs (sorry normal E46 owners!); the rest of the modern M cars just seemed too big and complicated to me. If you are planning on keeping it long term, again it's a no brainer. I'm sure the 1M will continue to hold it's value for years to come, especially given it's limited run. You'll just blend into the background of humdrum cars in the 135.
I've just been out in mine. It gets alot of admiring glances. Some guy in a big Merc took about a minute to overtake me on the M1, clearly having a good look!!
Or even try one for a year, then sell it with little loss and then get the 135 ?
I had a similar dilema buying a Z8 a few years back. A mate of mine said, "Well if you have one for a year then have to sell it, at least you can say you've owned one". Good advice If you ask me...
But, always had a massive soft spot for the Z8 as just one of the coolest cars of the last 20 years. Not many people know what it is, and carries off "retro-modern" look way better than I guess the SLS as it's closest spiritual successor. Well done to you that man!
A used 4 door m3 was actually on the list as well, but as well as an occasional track day toy, i do lots of short commuting, and to be honest 18mpg and 200 mile or so range would just annoy me too much. It's also more of a risk as a used buy from my perspective (more miles, less clear of history, more to go wrong), plus it's bigger an heavier - so not really so suited for regular track days, not without a lot of nagging doubt and expense anyway.
I know the 1M has some of these concerns too, but lessso. I also love the way it looks, it's more bespoke, "special" and pretty much every review raves about it. Considering the initial choice for a car this year was a Megane Cup you can see the sort of thing i'm looking for - and the E92 just isn't it.
This may also be blasphemous - but not too bothered about NA engines either. For me turbos are just a reality, fact of life, etc.
I know the 1M has some of these concerns too, but lessso. I also love the way it looks, it's more bespoke, "special" and pretty much every review raves about it. Considering the initial choice for a car this year was a Megane Cup you can see the sort of thing i'm looking for - and the E92 just isn't it.
This may also be blasphemous - but not too bothered about NA engines either. For me turbos are just a reality, fact of life, etc.
GentlePersuasion said:
I don't understand how anyone could consider a 1M but ignore the massive elephant in the room that is the 997 C2S.
18 months ago, I had the option of either a delivery mileage 1M, a 6 month old M3 or a (albeit slightly older) 997 C2S with 15k on the clock.
The Porker was so much better to drive in every single way that I couldn't help but be completely gobsmacked by the price of the 1M. It was and still is a ludicrous amount of money for a car that, day to day, is no better to drive than the very much cheaper and almost as fast 135i.
I really don't understand the hype surrounding this car.
And before anyone mentions 'practicality', I've had four people in relative comfort in the 997, with room in the front for their luggage. It's also swallowed my road bike on numerous occasions with some considered packing. Oh, and a chest of drawers.
thought about it, rejected (sorry!) partly because of practicality. I've had a nose in the back of a 997 and putting the little one in and out of a car seat on a regular basis would be a pain. they're also more expensive to run, more expensive in consumables, and i'd need to get something older /higher mileage to compete also.18 months ago, I had the option of either a delivery mileage 1M, a 6 month old M3 or a (albeit slightly older) 997 C2S with 15k on the clock.
The Porker was so much better to drive in every single way that I couldn't help but be completely gobsmacked by the price of the 1M. It was and still is a ludicrous amount of money for a car that, day to day, is no better to drive than the very much cheaper and almost as fast 135i.
I really don't understand the hype surrounding this car.
And before anyone mentions 'practicality', I've had four people in relative comfort in the 997, with room in the front for their luggage. It's also swallowed my road bike on numerous occasions with some considered packing. Oh, and a chest of drawers.
there's also a bit of the big kid in me that likes driving around in something exclusive; something that marks you as a motoring enthusiast. Owning and driving a 997 does not do that, is it victim of it's own success in that respect. One of the missus' friends drives about her blokes one. She is a lovely girl - fit as a butcher's dog too - but a motoring enthusiast she is not, and not untypical for a 997.
it'll cost less over the long term as well - residuals will be better than even the 997 C2; there are less of them, they had a great press, they'll always be a market for them.
finally - in terms of "not understanding the hype"; i've yet to read a word from a professional motoring journalist that is anything but positive about the thing. Agree the 135i drives almost as well - but "almost", and not on the track either without a proper diff. Maybe speaks more about the quality and pricing of the 135i than the 1m?
Anyway, happy with the choice and just to confirm, still EXCITED!!
i'm just EXXXXCCCCIIIITTTTTEEEEEDDD!!!
(and had a few glasses of wine to celebrate being excited too)
I've had a few individual drives in a couple of hig-revving NAs (VTECs in this case) - and I loved them. but i think that's the point - they were somebody else's car!
Great to be a passenger in, great to try for yourself once or twice, maybe great if you have the luxury of a toy car for the occasional Sunday (although if you do: go racing!), but to live with the the thing? Would have done my head in. Even before you talk about filling up every other day.
I have the utmost respect for those in an E92 who do get the "thrill of motoring" every day by taking it to the red line on the way to Tescos, but I just think for me in every day situations i'd end up feeling non-plussed 80% of the time, and only properly engaged at the occasional track day or rare blast up the b4944 from Newbury to Wantage on a sunday morning. all i've read about my 1M says i'll get more out of it more of the time.
I'm exited, by the way.
(and had a few glasses of wine to celebrate being excited too)
I've had a few individual drives in a couple of hig-revving NAs (VTECs in this case) - and I loved them. but i think that's the point - they were somebody else's car!
Great to be a passenger in, great to try for yourself once or twice, maybe great if you have the luxury of a toy car for the occasional Sunday (although if you do: go racing!), but to live with the the thing? Would have done my head in. Even before you talk about filling up every other day.
I have the utmost respect for those in an E92 who do get the "thrill of motoring" every day by taking it to the red line on the way to Tescos, but I just think for me in every day situations i'd end up feeling non-plussed 80% of the time, and only properly engaged at the occasional track day or rare blast up the b4944 from Newbury to Wantage on a sunday morning. all i've read about my 1M says i'll get more out of it more of the time.
I'm exited, by the way.
HungryHorace said:
phatgixer said:
E39 is a proper car
Can we go back to calling me a spunker and you a wheezer? Cider seeing as you are local it would be very nice to catch anotehr feel of a 1M! Newbury/Wantage over to Dorchester for a fat breakfast at Foxes diner!However, if i'm just being groomed for some kind of ambush from a load of old spunkers i'd like to point out i'll shortly have a very fast car, and won't be afraid to use it!
cerb4.5lee said:
phatgixer said:
Poor old cidered. Came on here all pleased with his choice only for lot to dive in and take it way off topic talking about the E92 not having Torque!
Disgusting behaviour.
I know, I am starting to feel guilty & I feel for the poor chap, his new motor will make him happy though! Disgusting behaviour.
Pick up is 12:00 tomorrow. Today 3 different family members ended up in hospital for 3 different reasons -a day of 250 miles driving and even now creeping across to Birmingham by train to rescue the family merc abandoned after wife's dance floor fall.... But I will still be there at 12. they will not defeat me. As pistonheads is my witness i will pick up that car.
HungryHorace said:
phatgixer said:
E39 is a proper car
Can we go back to calling me a spunker and you a wheezer? Cider seeing as you are local it would be very nice to catch anotehr feel of a 1M! Newbury/Wantage over to Dorchester for a fat breakfast at Foxes diner!HungryHorace said:
Quite. Now are we going to do some sort of Fox's breakfast meet up? Least torque pays.
No idea where it is - but relatively new to the area and always good to meet other like minded chaps with fast cars, so i'm sure we can. Away for a couple of weeks from the 3rd - so mid/late may onwards works for me.12 hours to go. EXCI... You get the idea!
HungryHorace said:
Are you Wantage based or are you slumming it in Newbury?
The only thing you have to be extremely cautious of around the Oxfordshire area is radar cars. There are always a few out and typically they like to pretend they are playing CoD as a sniper and hide in full cammo behind the grassy knoll.
One of the nice villages just north of newbury (not a very large one, so not going to gove location of my beautiful new car away in too much detail on a public forum!), not a massive fan of hooning it on the road - prefer track days. That road to wantage though...! The only thing you have to be extremely cautious of around the Oxfordshire area is radar cars. There are always a few out and typically they like to pretend they are playing CoD as a sniper and hide in full cammo behind the grassy knoll.
Edited by cidered77 on Saturday 27th April 01:45
Dung8 said:
cidered77 said:
10% deposit paid, picking her up on Saturday. Will be a tearful goodbye to trusty Megane R26 in part ex, but all good things come to an end. Including possibly my marriage
Thanks for the advice - if there *is* a key weakness i should have asked about, a known dodgy batch, a recall, etc - don't tell me now, as it's done!
EXCITED.
did you happen to buy from Nigel at Vines Guildford? I was in there earlier with my 1M this morning and he mentioned you! Thanks for the advice - if there *is* a key weakness i should have asked about, a known dodgy batch, a recall, etc - don't tell me now, as it's done!
EXCITED.
Shame i missed you - would have taken the total 1Ms i've seen in my lifetime to 3
Well, that was an epic day!
Write this from the bath (sorry about the image..) after about 320 miles of driving.
- 45 in the megane. Was nearly choked up saying goodbye - fantastic car, although confess didn't even give it a second glance when pulling out of BMW guildford!
- 280 in the 1M. Lots of driving up and down the M4 dealing with various family disasters, not my ideal way to get to know a new car but at least i know you can do long distances at relative comfort, with only the exhaust boom that can get a little tiring. Managed to get the tail slithering about within 2 mins of ownership on a very greasy road which really calmed me down for the rest of the day (recent years had to deal with FWD wheelspin only..), but the a late night drive home from a village 10 miles or so away i really got to push a little and find out more about the car. Not enough though - need a session at castle combe soon to find out some more!
- and then 20 miles in a 458 spyder as a passenger. 21:30, roof down. Note to self and others: if you've broken the bank and put yourself at considering financial peril spending 37k on a used car, don't then visit a mate who has spend 225k on a new one....puts things in perspective! I've been in fast cars before but i now have a new concept of "fast".
Tomorrow depending on a few things coming right its off to Rye House for a club100 kart race - another 160 miles! Thoughts as they stand so far:
- my god i do appreciate that torque! You appreciate it so much on the motorway, makes life so much less stressful
- absolutely perfect driving position
- traction control light seems to flash way more than i'd expect, sometimes in third gear when i cant detect a reduction in power
- love everything aput how it feels on a B road, but dont feel i've expored even a fraction of the fun available so far, so not going to try and describe any more detail than that, for now.
- it feels quicker than 335bhp
- there is only one flaw i can see: no stereo mute on the steering wheel
That's it, back to the bubbles...
Write this from the bath (sorry about the image..) after about 320 miles of driving.
- 45 in the megane. Was nearly choked up saying goodbye - fantastic car, although confess didn't even give it a second glance when pulling out of BMW guildford!
- 280 in the 1M. Lots of driving up and down the M4 dealing with various family disasters, not my ideal way to get to know a new car but at least i know you can do long distances at relative comfort, with only the exhaust boom that can get a little tiring. Managed to get the tail slithering about within 2 mins of ownership on a very greasy road which really calmed me down for the rest of the day (recent years had to deal with FWD wheelspin only..), but the a late night drive home from a village 10 miles or so away i really got to push a little and find out more about the car. Not enough though - need a session at castle combe soon to find out some more!
- and then 20 miles in a 458 spyder as a passenger. 21:30, roof down. Note to self and others: if you've broken the bank and put yourself at considering financial peril spending 37k on a used car, don't then visit a mate who has spend 225k on a new one....puts things in perspective! I've been in fast cars before but i now have a new concept of "fast".
Tomorrow depending on a few things coming right its off to Rye House for a club100 kart race - another 160 miles! Thoughts as they stand so far:
- my god i do appreciate that torque! You appreciate it so much on the motorway, makes life so much less stressful
- absolutely perfect driving position
- traction control light seems to flash way more than i'd expect, sometimes in third gear when i cant detect a reduction in power
- love everything aput how it feels on a B road, but dont feel i've expored even a fraction of the fun available so far, so not going to try and describe any more detail than that, for now.
- it feels quicker than 335bhp
- there is only one flaw i can see: no stereo mute on the steering wheel
That's it, back to the bubbles...
phatgixer said:
You had to put that torque thing in, didn't you! 
Glad you are enjoying it
Somebody put the bloody exhaust-boom-at-75-mph thing in this thread... Spent from swindon to newport an iphone decibel app and cruise control trying to work out the sweet spot!Glad you are enjoying it
After newport i concluded i should just stop being a t
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