Boeing P-8 Poseidons on the way

Boeing P-8 Poseidons on the way

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Eric Mc

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It will be announced later today as part of the Strategic Defence Review that the RAF will be receiving 9 new Boeing P-8s.

To be honest, it was obvious that this would eventually happen. At the 2012 Farnborough Air Show I had a long chat with the crew of the US Navy P-8 that was on display - all of whom were RAF.

Eric Mc

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Can it not fly low?

According to the RAF chappies I spoke to, the airframe has been considerably beefed up compared to an airliner 737.

It is interesting that no matter what aircraft is chosen for a job, there will be always dozens of people who will claim it is the wrong aircraft.

As far as I can see, it's better than what we have at the moment - which is nothing.

Eric Mc

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Trevatanus said:
Eric Mc said:
At the 2012 Farnborough Air Show I had a long chat with the crew of the US Navy P-8 that was on display - all of whom were RAF.
You sure it wasn't 2014 Eric? I know it was there then, and the talk was that we were buying them.
Yes 2014. The years go so fast they all blur. It was the last show.

Eric Mc

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aeropilot said:
Getting enough people trained to crew them and maintain them is going to be interesting.......
Over the past few years, there has been a core of RAF personnel seconded to other forces that use the P-8 i.e the US Navy and the RAAF (Australia). So, that will provide the initial contingent.

Eric Mc

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Is it ever?

Eric Mc

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Boatbuoy said:
No ??? (Ryanair) Sqn
737 Squadron (has to be).

(Although that would place it in the Royal Navy rather than the RAF).

Eric Mc

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Europa1 said:
It is frankly staggering that as an island nation we currently have no maritime patrol aircraft.
Now being fixed. It was always assumed it would be a temporary situation - which is what has transpired.

Eric Mc

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The normal practice is to go for the lowest squadron number available - unless there is an overriding historic reason to go for a higher number.

Eric Mc

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Shar2 said:
Not according to the USN who are finding it has a number of problems or compromises, caused by the airframe and its inability (or at least reduced performance) to operate in the same way as say a P3 or Nimrod might i.e. lots of turning, altitude changing and low level flight.
Of course, both the Orion and Nimrod are also based on older airliner designs. Maybe they just make airliners more weight efficient these days i.e. they are not over engineered.

What existing airframe could they use as an alternative (ignoring the Japanese design which is probably not for export anyway) - given that they would have to start from scratch designing a brand new maritime patrol aeroplane.

Eric Mc

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I'm sure it will be involved in SAR work. The Aussies were using their P-8s in the hunt for MH370.

Eric Mc

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But the project was in BIG trouble - mainly because the re-engineering required was proving to be massively more difficult and expensive than originally envisaged. They were having real trouble putting what had essentially been hand built aeroplanes back together again. No two airframes were the same.

Eric Mc

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What did they originally operate?

Eric Mc

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I think that Japan also has restrictions on exporting arms - which would include military aircraft.

Eric Mc

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It's certainly an interesting aeroplane. Why did they go with four engines on what is a relatively small airframe?

Eric Mc

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hidetheelephants said:
9 is ridiculous; the dozen-ish MR2s were busier than one-armed paper hangers prior to the scrapman calling. The idea 9 less capable aircraft are going to adequately fill the hole is comic.
The current Zero is not good also.

Eric Mc

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I'm sure I saw one on the news reports. Maybe I was hallucinating. It might have been a US Navy one.

Eric Mc

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The Nimrod originally did not have air refueling capability - for the first dozen years or so of operations.

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aeropilot said:
Yeah, but we had four squadrons of them, or rather 4 x times as many as we're getting P-8's.....

AAR fit was done for having to go down south in '82 IIRC.
We had lots more of everything in 1970. Times and the country have changed.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 24th November 2015
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I probably saw the P-8 and assumed it was an Australian one. The memory is getting a bit hazy.

Eric Mc

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ralphrj said:
Eric Mc said:
I probably saw the P-8 and assumed it was an Australian one. The memory is getting a bit hazy.
According to wikipedia (yes, I know) 2 US Navy P-8 Poseidons were sent to Perth for 2 months as part of the search for MH-370.
That must be it.