The CAA have officially killed UK airshows
Discussion
Announcement made by the CAA today.
No flying below 500ft if the crowd are within 1000m of the display.
They've literally just shot UK Airshows in the face. Ruined.
The CAA are c**ts.
http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SafetyNotice20...
No flying below 500ft if the crowd are within 1000m of the display.
They've literally just shot UK Airshows in the face. Ruined.
The CAA are c**ts.
http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SafetyNotice20...
Yes, what happened at shoreham was BAD!
BUT, this is a HUGE knee jerk reaction. There's been no deaths in what? 50-60 years. This was a one off, isolated incident and I think it's ridiculous.
However, I'm hearing rumour that the CAA have worded it wrong and they will be releasing it again soon. I've also been told by someone that the head of RIAT operations has said its not true. How much credibility he has? No idea.
My fingers are crossed but it is not looking good for airshows in the uk.
BUT, this is a HUGE knee jerk reaction. There's been no deaths in what? 50-60 years. This was a one off, isolated incident and I think it's ridiculous.
However, I'm hearing rumour that the CAA have worded it wrong and they will be releasing it again soon. I've also been told by someone that the head of RIAT operations has said its not true. How much credibility he has? No idea.
My fingers are crossed but it is not looking good for airshows in the uk.
Boatbuoy said:
I was at the Fly Navy show at Old Warden on Sunday. And while the display line has clearly moved back somewhat, I did not feel that it had detracted from the event. The Sea Vixen performed it's 'flat' display, and to be honest I felt it left nothing to be desired - brilliant, as this photo by my friend Darren Harbar illustrates
The new rules wouldn't have been in force on Sunday. They were effective immediately as of yesterday. Nice photo though!
Robertj21a said:
No, but I'm very pleased to see that it's generated an in-depth investigation which should ensure that the safety of the public in general will be an improvement on what existed before. People seem to overlook the fact that this is just a hobby.
It won't make bugger all difference to safety. zsdom said:
Throckmorton airshow cancelled, 4 days before the show due to the Campaign Against Airshows incompetence
http://throckmortonairshow.co.uk/2016/06/08/throck...
http://throckmortonairshow.co.uk/2016/06/08/throck...
Written by someone on Facebook. I think this is pretty much everything in a nut shell.
Woken up to the news that another airshow has been cancelled this year - two days before the event. For those of you on my friends list who don't fully understand, the cancellations are mainly due - in a nutshell - to increased cost in insurance and new regulations and restrictions from the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) including,but not exclusively, crowd line distance and minimum display heights, making it almost pointless and sometimes impossible for displays to happen in a way that makes it enjoyable for the spectators. These changes came about after the sad events at Shoreham last year and have seen a decline in attendance numbers at the early shows.
Whilst my heart goes out to the friends and family of the 11 lives lost last year at an event I was only miles away from, I can't help but wonder what the impact of this decline in air shows will be, beyond the personal enjoyment of aviation enthusiast, photographers and the thousands of families, who experience quality together time creating life long memories.
I'm left today wandering about the traders, particularly the more niche aviation specialist who rely in these shows to sell and promote their goods.
Today I'm wondering about the hotels (big or small), campsites, B&B's, restaurants, cafes and mobile traders who all sell out or are booked up months before an event.
Today, I'm wondering about the young people, who become inspired by the displays and explore future careers in aviation.
And I'm thinking about the charities. This weekend, money should have been donated from the profits to two charities, in addition to any on site bucket collecting style donations. Many thousands of pounds each year is raised at the events for charities such as Air Ambulance, RAF benevolent fund, Macmillan, Cancer Uk (often in partnership with small local charities).
Shoreham was a tragedy but it was not a regular occurrence. I can understand a review was required but I'm still a little lost as to why after the first fatal incident since 1952, the need for change has become so extreme that organiser are now struggling to justify running these well supported, successful and popular events.
I've not really up to now aired a public opinion on this topic, mainly because my knowledge was not up to a level where I felt I could comment, but I can see now the impact and it concerns me. I will continue to support the air show circuit out of principle.
Yes, it may mean I will have to crop a few pictures at 400mm to be able to see the kind of detail I once enjoyed capturing at 400mm uncropped and yes I may have to pay £6 for my morning bacon bap (The extreme price hike at Duxford did not go unnoticed!) All in the hope that one day in the future, someone somewhere will see sense and agree a happy balance between safety and enjoyment.
For those of you reading this who are fans of the airshow but are of the view "there's no point anymore" - please reconsider. Apathy and non attendance will only justify the organisers decisions to cancel more shows. Ok, so we may not get super close topsides of a typhoon with spluff this year but we have a fighting chance of maybe one day enjoying airshows in a manner we have been accustom too.....
Woken up to the news that another airshow has been cancelled this year - two days before the event. For those of you on my friends list who don't fully understand, the cancellations are mainly due - in a nutshell - to increased cost in insurance and new regulations and restrictions from the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) including,but not exclusively, crowd line distance and minimum display heights, making it almost pointless and sometimes impossible for displays to happen in a way that makes it enjoyable for the spectators. These changes came about after the sad events at Shoreham last year and have seen a decline in attendance numbers at the early shows.
Whilst my heart goes out to the friends and family of the 11 lives lost last year at an event I was only miles away from, I can't help but wonder what the impact of this decline in air shows will be, beyond the personal enjoyment of aviation enthusiast, photographers and the thousands of families, who experience quality together time creating life long memories.
I'm left today wandering about the traders, particularly the more niche aviation specialist who rely in these shows to sell and promote their goods.
Today I'm wondering about the hotels (big or small), campsites, B&B's, restaurants, cafes and mobile traders who all sell out or are booked up months before an event.
Today, I'm wondering about the young people, who become inspired by the displays and explore future careers in aviation.
And I'm thinking about the charities. This weekend, money should have been donated from the profits to two charities, in addition to any on site bucket collecting style donations. Many thousands of pounds each year is raised at the events for charities such as Air Ambulance, RAF benevolent fund, Macmillan, Cancer Uk (often in partnership with small local charities).
Shoreham was a tragedy but it was not a regular occurrence. I can understand a review was required but I'm still a little lost as to why after the first fatal incident since 1952, the need for change has become so extreme that organiser are now struggling to justify running these well supported, successful and popular events.
I've not really up to now aired a public opinion on this topic, mainly because my knowledge was not up to a level where I felt I could comment, but I can see now the impact and it concerns me. I will continue to support the air show circuit out of principle.
Yes, it may mean I will have to crop a few pictures at 400mm to be able to see the kind of detail I once enjoyed capturing at 400mm uncropped and yes I may have to pay £6 for my morning bacon bap (The extreme price hike at Duxford did not go unnoticed!) All in the hope that one day in the future, someone somewhere will see sense and agree a happy balance between safety and enjoyment.
For those of you reading this who are fans of the airshow but are of the view "there's no point anymore" - please reconsider. Apathy and non attendance will only justify the organisers decisions to cancel more shows. Ok, so we may not get super close topsides of a typhoon with spluff this year but we have a fighting chance of maybe one day enjoying airshows in a manner we have been accustom too.....
- SaveOurAirshows
ukaskew said:
They haven't killed RIAT, far from it. As far as I could tell it was very much business as usual in fact. The Red Arrows were still allowed to come in over the crowd, still allowed down to 100ft, the fast jets seemed as close as ever and the minimum height restrictions didn't seem any different.
I had feared everything would be 300m back and nothing could come below 1000ft or something like that.
RIAT was never in trouble, as its controlled by the MAA, not the CAA, and therefore the CAA have bugger all control over what goes on at RIAT I had feared everything would be 300m back and nothing could come below 1000ft or something like that.
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