Purchased dream wooden boat ...

Purchased dream wooden boat ...

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impetuous

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Friday 22nd July 2016
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Saw her whilst kayaking on Norfolk Broads last October ... lust at first sight.

Nine months later and today she's mine.

21ft varnished 1950s beauty, bermudan rigged, with a canoe stern that captivated.

Shook hands after viewing in a boat shed yesterday ... love is mad, right?

Might be an amusing tale to share here!

Stats: Days owned:1 - Costs so far:£3500 - Nights aboard:0 - Hours sailed:0











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Edited by impetuous on Sunday 24th July 19:01

impetuous

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Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Thanks for the nudge Huntsman, I'll update as it's a month since purchase.

Having been out of the water for a long time, she failed the BSS (Boat Safety Scheme, nautical MOT, £140, lasts for 4 years) on new rules since the last pass in 2009.

Fuses, fuel cut off, posh bilge filter and few other little bits then led to a pass.

Launched fortnight ago, swiftly followed by the classic nautical term, "Best bring the heavy duty bilge pump and battery" as inverted-incontinence ensued.



Having since spoken with the previous owner, now transpires that he instructed a local boat builder to replace all hull planking and ribs a few years ago at incredible expense, along with an engine overhaul, before ownership passed to the next temporary owner. Photos of the work have been promised.

Nice to finally see her on the water.



Damp engine out, dried and put back in last weekend. Lovely 5hp petrol Stuart Turner noise - video

Video - Stuart Turner 5hp engine working for first time

Aluminium mast required minor repair, back yesterday.

So cleaned down storage filth from decks and inside, rather enjoyed giving the girl some attention.



Before a little Broads kayaking and rescuing boats with my Troopy.





Thusfar, incredibly enjoyable to potter and play.

As for the pointy rear, Snobetter, not sure! However, her pointed posterior was certainly part of the attraction. Will see how she sails, as a kayak man, it looks and feels "right".

If there's interest here, I'll keep updating with a "good and bad" account, including costs.

Stats: Days owned: 30 - Costs so far:£4130 - Nights aboard:0 - Hours sailed/aboard:6

impetuous

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Saturday 27th August 2016
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I rather enjoyed the pointy discussion, enlightened. Thank you for all the comments and kind words.

Simpo Two said:
My father used to say that boats pointed at both ends had been lifeboats - do you think that's the case here?
Ayahuasca said:
Hence old lifeboats, which both launched and recovered through surf, had canoe sterns.
Exploring Walton Backwaters on my kayak today and paddled past a 116 year old lifeboat, moored at Titchmarsh Marina, Essex, to admire her, now understood, canoe stern.

Interesting link on History of James Stevens No.14 Lifeboat



As for my boat, repaired mast finally up with lovely new weld seam, rigged, red sails on ... but forgot all about insurance and Broads Annual Toll (water road tax which requires the insurance)... not very good with paperwork ... so can't play yet.



dave-the-diver said:
Pretty boat, North or South Broads?
Bermudan, I guess?
Thank you.
Indeed, Bermudan with a furled jib ... North Broads



Edited by impetuous on Tuesday 6th September 19:35

impetuous

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Tuesday 6th September 2016
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She's alive, sailed for the first time!



Glorious to see red sails fill and learn that she's pretty, does exactly what she wants and will be a very difficult girl to control.

Comments in the boat shed about the rudder being oversized were answered this weekend when a slow speed 180' turn in a narrow river section resulted in a "THUD" and wooden bank sleeper leaving a nice mark upon the freshly painted bow. A Broads boat would have fully turned in three-quarters of that water. I think the rudder was extended in past lives.

More speed, playing with setup and she sharp turns 180' - but in a very feminine manner.



A local instructor and myself simply loved exploring her behaviour, limits and dozens of peculiarities.



Delighted how a dusty object in a shed becomes a bobbing boat upon water, then a fast heeling deck buried in the water at a crazy angle in strong gusts this Sunday.

At three and a half tons, with the canoe stern, she is very fast. Look forward to measuring speed.

The petrol engine, a 1949 Stuart Turner P5ME oversize with 4hp is a powerful delight to hear, watch and use.



I wasn't expecting the water orchestra the first night. Burbles, creaks, clatters, groans, creaks, swishes and fascinating submarine sonar noises (very start of video) -

Link to rubbish video for the sound

Few drips inside during heavy rain, but that's to be expected and part of the "old school" pleasure.

Costs have been reasonable thus far, did a lot work myself (self taught, office based, no specialist boat skills) and there is very little to go wrong.

Electrical system is simply the starter motor, alternator, bilge pump and one 12V bulb inside the cabin. Cooking on a camping gas store and that's really all the "systems" onboard. Simple.

Broads Permit at £140 for the year ("road tax"), annual insurance much the same, await invoice for mast welding and launch.

To those who stated "there's only two happy days owning a boat...", I disagree. Each day so far has been excellent.

As I learn to sail, look to take part in events, read upon her, play with the engine, rigging, "improvements" and enjoy the Broads, hopefully the fun will continue.

So far, I've had more pleasure and freedom, especially heeling and zipping about on the Broads at speed under sail, than any of the cars I've owned. And at a fraction of the cost.

Will keep up thread, good and bad, if there's interest.

Stats: Days owned: 50 - Costs so far:£4590 (including purchase price and mooring) - Nights aboard:2 - Hours sailed/aboard:63

Edited by impetuous on Tuesday 6th September 20:36

impetuous

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Tuesday 6th September 2016
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Thank you for the positive replies.

Simpo Two said:
A great story. My thoughts are that cars speed you up, boats slow you down. It's quite a hard thing to get used to. And a night on board is magical.
I like that, nicely said.

mac96 said:
Those noises are so nostalgic- takes me back 40 years. An absolutely beautiful boat- hope you continue to enjoy it
Happy to have taken you back with nostalgia.

And hidetheelephants was right.

hidetheelephants said:
Still has the original ST exercise centre too, soon have your biceps ripped(and all your clothes smelling of petrol). hehe

impetuous

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Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Update...

Took the mast down!

Those familiar with the Norfolk Broads will know bridges necessitate the frequent mast lowering and raising to pass under bridges.

So, it was a delight to transform the bow rails into a mast lift! Proper transformers playtime.

This is the bow rails in "normal" position -



and raised in action

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A rather fast and satisfying operation and easy for one person to raise and lower using the cockpit winch.

Discovered the cockpit cover, rather snug as it rained ... strong joys of water camping



Fulfilled another ambition last weekend, sailing her to a pub in hot sun and decent winds.

There's a manly elemental heavenly delight in mooring alongside a pub, then watching your girl attracting attention whilst enjoying beers in a pub garden.



However, may have had a beer too many ... as pride came before a fall.

Decided to sail back from pub, despite strong winds. The sheer power of thrusting her deck below water as we turned and twisted our way against the changing wind down narrow Broads passages was exhilarating.

Thoughts of becoming a master at leaving tacking to the very last moment were popped as she became magnificently stuck upon mud. Compounded by settling up straight and pushing keel down further into squelch.

Full asterned motor failed to shift. Calling for a tow offended my independent spirit.

So ... held back sails standing on cabin roof, flipping them as wind changed, until wind suck pulled us out. At which point, yacht caught freedom and wind simultaneously, boom supersonically snapped 180' flipping my body as rag doll into air and water, with a pleasing thud inbetween as my ribs kissed corner of deck. A refreshing swim to the yacht and I’d do it all again. Love sailing!

To those that mock with "only two happy days of ownership" I remain in profound disagreement.

Despite a cracked rib.

Costs since last update, after many hours of pottering, learning, discovering and sailing pleasure have been £3 for a bronze plug and washer. The silencer is water cooled, a simple pipe from the engine using the same water and pump and the drain valve on silencer base was dripping.



And treated self to proper nautical knife ...



Next job, convert sails to using slugs and keep improving rigging and general set-up.

Stats: Days owned: 64 - Costs so far:£4593 (including purchase price and mooring) - Nights aboard:6 - Hours sailed/aboard:138


Edited by impetuous on Tuesday 20th September 13:28

impetuous

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Friday 23rd September 2016
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Thank you for all the replies and also the reminiscence from Rangeroverover.

Inkyfingers said:
Great stuff, have so many similar stories from the broads!

Is that a Perfect Lady that you're moored next to in the first picture?
Do share your Broads stories if you wish!

Yes, a Perfect Lady I believe - safe for work link for those who may be interested in perfect ladies

I rather enjoying recently reading "The Art of Coarse Sailing" by Michael Green. A humorous account of Norfolk Broads sailing, where a "coarse sailor" is defined as one who, in an emergency, forgets nautical etiquette and shouts "Turn the bloody boat to the left!".

And who indeed enjoys using a mud weight -



dave-the-diver said:
Anchor and a dinghy?

This is the broads, old chap.

Heave the mud weight over the transom whilst trying to avoid wrapping the warp around your ankle.

Is that the Pleasure Boat?

David
Well said, Sir.

Yes, indeed, the Pleasure Boat and a fine pub it remains.

paintman said:
Clever rails!
You were lucky with getting off & very lucky the boom didn't do more damage - or she sailed away leaving you in the water.
Couple of valuable lessons learnt I thinksmile
Indeed, I remain most impressed by them there rails.

And, yup, sailing upon the Broads is indeed an entertaining education.

Before leaving, just discovered a new boat cover that I imagine cost the previous owner a few pounds.

Will fit it properly next time.



Edited by impetuous on Friday 23 September 16:09

impetuous

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Thursday 19th January 2017
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Update

Six months since purchase!

She’s resting in the boat shed since mid November, whilst I fettle, varnish and paint her.



It's been a great learning adventure, no problems with the boat and pound for pleasure she's been great value.

Whilst it floats, I wouldn't have rented it. Driving up if whim and forecast weather were nice, to find her waiting for me, worth the ownership. Feeling she's a mobile cottage and "get away from it all" escape pod, again worth the ownership.

I actually expected sailing to be my prime joy. I was wrong. It's the pottering about, sleeping in the hull of water sounds, mooring at pubs, learning new skills, mixing oil with petrol, the Norfolk wildlife that comes to the boat and stunning light pollution free nights, sunrises and sunsets.





Although, tipping over and dipping the deck floor under water at crazy angles, feeling the power through the sails and rudder, is a true buzz.

The new girlfriend rather likes classic sailing, her main test ten days after our meeting on Match.



Costs have been very reasonable, £100 a month mooring in a prime location (plus premium for each month undercover in shed), very reasonable hourly fee paid directly to local instructor and welcome wisdom from local boatyard and fellow boat owners.

Hope to keep thread updated for 2017, along with more detailed costings, statistics and adventures.

Stats: Days owned: 180 - Costs so far: £5400 (including purchase price and mooring) - Nights aboard: 10 - Hours sailed/aboard: 230 (time in water only 2 months due to delayed launch and taking out for winter storage)

impetuous

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Thursday 2nd February 2017
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Thank you for the nice replies. I like the way you think, Huntsman!

Research has revealed she's one of three remaining boats with the design name "Meteor", built by Easticks, Acle, in the 1950s.

Much more exciting - one of the other Meteor owners, Tony, who I'm trying to get in contact with, has discovered she was designed by Arthur Cecil Robb in 1949 - following research by Tony at the Bartlett Library, Falmouth and Mystic Seaport - The Museum of America and the Sea, Connecticut, USA, where the Robb archive resides.

I'm rather excited knowing Arthur C. Robb designed her. Looking at his well known Lion class design, the lines are very familiar!

All adds, along with even more varnishing, to the wholesome joy that's budget wooden boat ownership.




impetuous

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Friday 3rd February 2017
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Huntsman said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
One of the pleasures of having a boat is not just using it, but working on it, (and as part of that, planning the work on it smile)
My brother and I have a steel boat, but with a trad timber interior, and like the Forth Road Bridge the word of the day is paint, paint, and then paint some more. With steel boats on shore power an induction transformer is important, along with carefully sized and sited anodes. But getting on board on a Friday night with good supplies of food and booze on board, and then getting up the following day for a tea, and bacon sandwich breakfast, then spending the entire day from dawn to dusk just pottering about with jobs is outstanding, and even better when those jobs deliver a reliable, fuss free boat, that does everything you ask of it.
Lets have a few pics of the boat then!
Indeed, you're so right!

I second that request, pics please.

impetuous

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Sunday 30th July 2017
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Happy and sad update!

After a full sand, varnish, paint and antifoul, launched end March and enjoyed since.

Lots of nights away, good sailing and, apart from a new battery, no issues at all!

However, a new life in New Zealand beckons later this year, so sadly she's to carry a "For Sale" sign from this week ... hopefully someone will offer a good new home!

Thank you for all the positive comments and shared memories.

Will update with overall ownership/use costs once sold.

A final few photos of friends enjoying her last week ...







impetuous

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Sunday 30th July 2017
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Bonefish Blues said:
I think that you should perhaps answer the "how much" question forming in some thread participants' minds - you never know smile
No idea! I purchased her for £3,500 and did a fair amount of work since to bring her up to an excellent standard, the previous owner spent over £12,000 in past few years, seems like every single person loves her upon sight ...

Also the cachet of since discovering she's an unknown Arthur C. Robb design.

There's a magic about old wooden boats that money can't purchase ... I really do feel like a privileged custodian ... if someone read this thread, loved the idea of a proper red sailed wooden 1950s boat, with a 1940s reconditioned Stuart Turner petrol engine, teak and mahogany build, with that beautiful canoe stern ... offered a fine bottle of single malt and the price I paid of £3,500 as a simple quick friendly transaction, I'd be happy. She's worth a lot more, but it'd nice to see this thread continued in PH fashion by a new owner!

A friend may be able to trailer her to the new owner, the mooring is paid until the end of the year (not sure if transferable), the boat yard couldn't be friendlier with help on site. I'd, of course, spend time during handover wiffling on about all the little details and practical lessons learnt.

Just writing the ebay advert ...

"A beautiful example of the two berth Meteor class estuary cruiser, built by Easticks of Acle in 1957. Estelle enjoyed a thorough and very expensive re-fit in 2013-2015 during which her hull planking and many frames were replaced. She's now in very good strong condition, and is in commission and afloat in Martham. Her Stuart Turner engine starts easily, runs well, and charges her battery. She has a chemical toilet and a spirit stove. Her mainsail has been converted to slab reefing and her genoa has Wyckham Martin type roller furling gear. There's a smaller jib that hanks on to the forestay. Her mast can be easily lowered and raised using the combined safety rail 'A' frame. She has a broads yacht style cockpit tent and also a large awning that covers the entire boat including deck to keep the sun and weather from deteriorating her brightwork. This lovely double ended classic yacht is a real head turner and attracts attention everywhere she goes."

impetuous

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Sunday 6th August 2017
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sanguinary said:
Thanks for the thread. I've sailed out of Martham many times over the years and most recently from Upton. I'm too far away to own a boat down there, so will keep on hiring for the time being. Hickling and Horsey are two of the best kept secrets in the country. The bridge at Potter Heigham does a wonderful job of keeping the peace up there.

I'm sure I've seen her over the years, but will keep a close eye out now and post pictures on this thread if you wish to see her again...
Cheers, you are completely correct about the low PH bridge, it's indeed a secret place past it.

Thank you, that'd be nice!

impetuous

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Sunday 6th August 2017
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snobetter said:
Where's your sense of adventure!? AA map of the world, stockpile of beans and biscuits and a nice sail to NZ, what could go wrong?
Great idea, but already booked AirNZ "cuddle class" seats!

I'll sadly swap her for £3500 plus a bottle ... better to have owned, enjoyed and parted.

impetuous

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Thursday 24th August 2017
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She's sold.

Enthusiastic new owner, turned up to view her with a sleeping bag (!), paid up after viewing and then slept on boat, went sailing next day. Happy chap.

Sold immediately for 23% more than purchase price, which is fair given improvements made to her and higher equipment level.

Final stats!

Days owned - 400 (July 2016 - August 2017)

Total ownership cost - £2580 (£3400 as the cost of ownership (mooring, insurance, BSS, Broads licence, winter storage, in/out water, paint, varnish, new battery, instruction, bits, pieces) less difference between purchase and sale price of £821.

So that's £200 a month.

Nights aboard 35 - about £73 a night.

Lost track of days aboard/sailed! Met great people sailing. Treasure memories and photos.

Most enjoyed Broads yacht ownership ... thrill of her being there whenever the weather was good ... classic wooden boat sailing is fun!



Mrtibbs2017 said:
Hi Impetuous, I am the chap you were trying to contact who owns the other A C Robb Easticks Meteor on or near the Broads (well, close enough .. it has been at or near IBTC on Lake Lothing since 2011). I want to contact you too especially as I understand your Meteor is for sale. I believe only 10 were built back in the 50's so having 2 in sailing order plus mine 'nearly' rebuilt is pretty awesome. (plus rumours of a fourth surviving in Ireland). I would love to chat about your experiences actually sailing yours. A fifth Meteor, Scintilla, came up on an auction site not long ago so this is a pretty resilient little class.
Hello Mr Tibbs - good to hear from you. I'll try and PM you, to chat and pass your details to new owner.