EuroFighter Tycoon
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So in your opinion does this meet the defense needs of the U.K?
Was asking because Im curious as to what are the future plans?. If any. Surely the poor economic climate may have altered RAF targets, plans, etc.
This is/was a joint project, and some recent upgrades have been introduced. But does anyone know if these are used in foreign conflicts? or just purely mainland defense?
Was asking because I've noticed Russia is taking steps to build true 5th gen planes. But besides that. Do you like this and think it is enough for the next say, 20-25years? And does anyone know how many Britain has?
Was asking because Im curious as to what are the future plans?. If any. Surely the poor economic climate may have altered RAF targets, plans, etc.
This is/was a joint project, and some recent upgrades have been introduced. But does anyone know if these are used in foreign conflicts? or just purely mainland defense?
Was asking because I've noticed Russia is taking steps to build true 5th gen planes. But besides that. Do you like this and think it is enough for the next say, 20-25years? And does anyone know how many Britain has?
Thanks for the replies people.
To my understanding, the Tycoon was built to be an ace fighter more than anything else. It is extremely agile plane that can pull off some tight moves.
However, as it's primary role is 'to shoot down enemy aircraft' it probably relies on BVR shoot down more than say agilty (which will come in handy aginst enemy missiles)
In any future conflict with the ruskies, I reckon we would be on the defensive for atleast a month. As we are a small nation, air superiority is an absolute must. But am not sure how big the RAF is in terms of upto date fighters.? Does anyone know the exact number? and if their used in current conflicts?
F-22, I would say is better than the Eurofighter. (5th gen, vs a very good 4th gen.) However the F-35, is not better in fighter roles and I dont see the UK as a export customer ($140mil a plane?).
Trident should be scrapped and the £££ put into army, and RAF. Any nuclear exchange wont see us (a small island) very well off.
PS- not a war mongrer, but prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
To my understanding, the Tycoon was built to be an ace fighter more than anything else. It is extremely agile plane that can pull off some tight moves.
However, as it's primary role is 'to shoot down enemy aircraft' it probably relies on BVR shoot down more than say agilty (which will come in handy aginst enemy missiles)
In any future conflict with the ruskies, I reckon we would be on the defensive for atleast a month. As we are a small nation, air superiority is an absolute must. But am not sure how big the RAF is in terms of upto date fighters.? Does anyone know the exact number? and if their used in current conflicts?
F-22, I would say is better than the Eurofighter. (5th gen, vs a very good 4th gen.) However the F-35, is not better in fighter roles and I dont see the UK as a export customer ($140mil a plane?).
Trident should be scrapped and the £££ put into army, and RAF. Any nuclear exchange wont see us (a small island) very well off.
PS- not a war mongrer, but prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Reply to Jonny.
First I heard about UK being a potential customer. But nonetheless very good news if it goes through.
I do know Canada has ordered 65 for $9billion. And that Turkey have become involved. Japan was refused the F-22, so they may be buying the F-35 instead.
It's quickly becoming the new F-16. A Multi Role Combat Aircraft with a large export programme.
With regards to nukes, I would differ that we are a big player. Israel may have more nukes than the UK, Pakistan and India combined.
We obviously need a deterent, no question there, but I dont think Trident is the way forward. IMO.
First I heard about UK being a potential customer. But nonetheless very good news if it goes through.
I do know Canada has ordered 65 for $9billion. And that Turkey have become involved. Japan was refused the F-22, so they may be buying the F-35 instead.
It's quickly becoming the new F-16. A Multi Role Combat Aircraft with a large export programme.
With regards to nukes, I would differ that we are a big player. Israel may have more nukes than the UK, Pakistan and India combined.
We obviously need a deterent, no question there, but I dont think Trident is the way forward. IMO.
Edited by MudasarKhan on Saturday 17th July 16:12
Some good information on here.
The reason for asking was I read about the PakFa and thought what do we have. Didnt know that we would be getting the F-35, but now I do.
So our future really lies in the Eurofighter and the F-35. In my opinion as good as it gets for us really.
I dont have too much confidence in the Eurozone, so thats why I was asking on the future side of things. Anyway, thanks for the info lads.
The reason for asking was I read about the PakFa and thought what do we have. Didnt know that we would be getting the F-35, but now I do.
So our future really lies in the Eurofighter and the F-35. In my opinion as good as it gets for us really.
I dont have too much confidence in the Eurozone, so thats why I was asking on the future side of things. Anyway, thanks for the info lads.
Penguinracer said:
With Russia exporting (or at least potentially exporting) MiG 1.42s, MiG 1.27s & Sukhoi (T-50) PAK-FAs to all & sundry plus the Chinese J-XX program in full flow - there can be no complacency in the West. Indeed large forces of thrust vectoring, stealth capable fifth-generation aircraft in India, China, Pakistan & Russia are rapidly becoming a reality - and a leveller.
True apart from Pakistan. Russia will build 5th gen. plane, and sell ToT to India. Who will then co-build with Russia.
China is vastly improving, but not on the same level as Russia.
Pakistan is not an up and coming superpower, and therefore does not have the economy to be building, and/or buying 5th gen. planes. They just bought F16's block 52's, and have had their older fleet upgraded to F16C/D and co-built the JF17 Thunder. Wheres as the three bigger regional powers are quite a bit ahead in terms of devolping a 5th gen.plane.
It will only be possible for Pakistan to have a 5th gen plane, if either they are sold the F-35(not happening) or if China aids Pakistan. (and they wont be giving their new 5th gen. plane away as soon as it's built)
digimeistter said:
So does anyone have any info on the 5th Gen platforms from China/Russia?
They dont have anything in production as of yet. But a lot of interesting progress is being made, with prototype platforms being developed. I believe Russia has declared it's intentions of building a 5th gen plane. China is making vast progress in the stealth aspects of a plane, however having said that, a 5th gen. plane is not all about stealth. It's about engines, avionics, weapons, radar, stability, payload... basically everything including stealth.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff