Lilly Allen - Its Not Fair...

[Lordbenny]

Like her, like the tune, BUT, when my 9 year old daughter starts singing the lyrics 'Giving you head in the middle of the bed' I'm thinking, why cant you save the track for the album!

Same goes for Ms Spears current ditty, I think its called 'If You Seek Amy' (F-U-C-K Me!)

The pop market is predominantly for 8 to 15 year old (girls mainly). Radio stations should tighten up on this.

I know I sound like a grumpy old codger but.....wait till you have kids!

[Lordbenny]

Munter said:

FoolOnTheHill said:

Munter said:

Exactly. You either have kids and accept society is what it is. Or you change society "for the better" then have kids. .

Eh, by that logic we can't have kids til society is perfect?

No you can have kids. But you have to accept that society is what it is and it will influence them (or you have them in blind faith that the world is all flowers and kittens....).

Your society may be like that but the 'society' that my kids live in IS all flowers & kittens. I am determined that my kids childhood remains that way until their ready for the big bad world. I totally understand that todays society can be a nasty place but it's my job as a parent to ensure that the best years of my childrens life are just that! It's a total cop-out and an example of poor parenting to just let your kids get on with it. Un-censored internet access, grand theft auto & 15+ videos for 10 year olds just isn't right IMO. I might not be the best dad in the world but I will do my upmost to protect my kids innocence until I believe the time is right!

[Lordbenny]

Alfanatic said:

Lordbenny said:

Munter said:

FoolOnTheHill said:

Munter said:

Exactly. You either have kids and accept society is what it is. Or you change society "for the better" then have kids. .

Eh, by that logic we can't have kids til society is perfect?

No you can have kids. But you have to accept that society is what it is and it will influence them (or you have them in blind faith that the world is all flowers and kittens....).

Your society may be like that but the 'society' that my kids live in IS all flowers & kittens. I am determined that my kids childhood remains that way until their ready for the big bad world. I totally understand that todays society can be a nasty place but it's my job as a parent to ensure that the best years of my childrens life are just that! It's a total cop-out and an example of poor parenting to just let your kids get on with it. Un-censored internet access, grand theft auto & 15+ videos for 10 year olds just isn't right IMO. I might not be the best dad in the world but I will do my upmost to protect my kids innocence until I believe the time is right!

I think there are two choices: 1) you can try protect them by hiding the bad bits from your kids until you think the time is right. Unless you live in complete isolation, this is doomed to fail, IMO.
2) you can try to protect them by empowering them with knowledge. This, unfortunately, will probably just end up giving them ideas and thus is probably also doomed to fail.

If the kid doesn't know what the lyrics mean, no harm done. If the kid does know what they mean, its already too late and probably was before they heard the song. Kids learn, faster than adults do actually, so trying to stop them might be harder than trying to empower them and teach them responsibility, and just keeping track of what they're up to.

I've presented those as extremes but neither seems right or wrong to me. Parents just need to do what seems best, and make their own choices. Personally, at the moment I lean towards the empowerment side but then my kid's not even talking yet, apart from calling me dadada, so I may be saying the opposite in 5 years time..

Empowerment is the only way to protect children. You are the parent and you know better! As for whether the kid knows/dosn't knowing what the 'F' word means. I don't care whether they know or not, what they here in the playground cannot be determined by me. Its just not going to come from me until I decide when the time is right and that time can depend on various circumstances. Its what's being a parent is all about and isnt the ideal way for everybody, its just how I do it!

[Lordbenny]

Munter said:

But this is your thread. Started because you cannot protect your kids innocence to that extent.

And what I'm saying is that although it might be difficult at times all you can do is your best as a parent and that includes having a moan about a foul mouthed wannabe who thinks its cool to use that kind of language infront of kids.

[Lordbenny]

Alfanatic said:

MitchT said:

Just picked-up on this thread... it reminds me of an incident that the ex was involved in when she was a primary school teacher. She had a class party and was supplied with a CD by the head. On the CD was a track, the redeeming feature of which was the line "I wanna have sex on the beach", which the kids joyfully repeated ad-ininitum once they had heard it.

Where I grew up "sex on the beach" was a cocktail, and was thus "I wanna have sex on the beach" was a statement commonly directed at bartenders.

Venga Boys ?

[Lordbenny]

Alfanatic said:

Lordbenny said:

Alfanatic said:

MitchT said:

Just picked-up on this thread... it reminds me of an incident that the ex was involved in when she was a primary school teacher. She had a class party and was supplied with a CD by the head. On the CD was a track, the redeeming feature of which was the line "I wanna have sex on the beach", which the kids joyfully repeated ad-ininitum once they had heard it.

Where I grew up "sex on the beach" was a cocktail, and was thus "I wanna have sex on the beach" was a statement commonly directed at bartenders.

Venga Boys ?

I claim ignorance... what's the connection?

Didn't they sing "Sex on the beach" ?