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it`s not very often i get properly excited by new bands but these lads "tesseract" are absolutely sensational.debut album due out soon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1m5jHyeZOw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1m5jHyeZOw
musically that stuff sounds amazing i just get a bit put off by that over the top voal style.it`s why i`m not 100% with chimaera.musically superb but spoiled a bit by the vocals.little bit left of centre but this band called animals as leaders has got some genius guitar player.like a fusion of jazz and metal.very weird but engrossing stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ho4-tExpTE&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ho4-tExpTE&fea...
i suppose it depends on what you want to hear.i really hate messy /muddy sounding weight to a guitar sound but prefer the deftones style "cleanliness" to the weight of sound .i like really well produced music with panoramic soundscapes which is why i can`t even bear compressed dowload files and still do the old fuddy duddy thing of buying real cd`s.
gbbird said:
Hmmmm. Was reading this thread at work today, but frustratingly could not access YouTube, so was looking forward to having a listen tonight as i always like to hear new Metal bands.
Dissappointingly, i am not overly impressed. Yes, its good, solid, well produced metal (i do happen to like my metal well produced), but it is all so samey. I was listening to Killswitch Engage the other night, and tbh this sounds too similiar. 10 out of 10 for execution, but much lower for originality. I would not buy their album, as i have 10 others that sound exactly like it.
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mmmm....strange one that,i`m a massive kilswitch fan.clinical huge production sound,rhythmically as tight as a duck`s arse etc. but i don`t see them sounding like tesseract at all.Dissappointingly, i am not overly impressed. Yes, its good, solid, well produced metal (i do happen to like my metal well produced), but it is all so samey. I was listening to Killswitch Engage the other night, and tbh this sounds too similiar. 10 out of 10 for execution, but much lower for originality. I would not buy their album, as i have 10 others that sound exactly like it.
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hornet said:
tuscaneer said:
i suppose it depends on what you want to hear.i really hate messy /muddy sounding weight to a guitar sound but prefer the deftones style "cleanliness" to the weight of sound .i like really well produced music with panoramic soundscapes which is why i can`t even bear compressed dowload files and still do the old fuddy duddy thing of buying real cd`s.
I guess it's a "your mileage may vary" thing. I HATE that clean, clinical sound. Needs to be an edge to it for me old Entombed 
, or failing that, be dirty and fuzzy. I don't like that polished sound 
As an aside, if it's heavy + soundscapes you like, and you don't mind a slower tempo, ever heard of Ufomammut?.
hornet said:
Gompo said:
Cant get your first video to work, Hornet.
Ramesses I dont see anything particularly special with and are easily big/well known enough already.
Not heard of Fury UK before, sounds reasonable although nothing new.
I'm not trying to be one of those 'different = good' people, as it rarely does, and most of my favourite newer artists for the most part copying other more established acts. However, I was asking the question of new/different bands as opposed to those just playing the same old as they're rather rare.
Ted Maul are probably my favourite, although not a lot of their stuff is 100% original it's atleast not been done by many bands.
I'll admit to being somewhat out of the loop on very new stuff, partly because it does nothing for me, and I guess partly because my tastes have changed. Just found it odd that anyone could get overly excited by the sort of stuff Tesseract are playing, as an hour or two of Scuzz would throw up numerous other bands who all sound exactly like that. Sounds far too calculated to my ears, almost as if it's derived from an equation. I also really dislike that vocal style. First video was Blutvial. Probably not a decent comparison, as it's not exactly mainstream metal, but I just find it far more interesting, as it has proper feeling and atmosphere to it, even if that feeling and atmosphere is mostly old Darkthrone.Ramesses I dont see anything particularly special with and are easily big/well known enough already.
Not heard of Fury UK before, sounds reasonable although nothing new.
I'm not trying to be one of those 'different = good' people, as it rarely does, and most of my favourite newer artists for the most part copying other more established acts. However, I was asking the question of new/different bands as opposed to those just playing the same old as they're rather rare.
Ted Maul are probably my favourite, although not a lot of their stuff is 100% original it's atleast not been done by many bands.
i tried an experiment the other night.set the sky box to record one of the late night "extreme" shows on scuzz and spent an hour scanning through all the stuff.couldn`t find one soundalike to tesseract.frankly, there is a lot of s
tty sounding blast beat stuff and the odd band that sound musically ok but ruin it with this super gruff vocal style(like old nile or suffocation)i think a lot of my problem with much of these bands is the tunings.i always had a 6 string gibson les paul and could get as low as detune by 2 steps and then drop the e string(which is now D)a further 2 steps to C.in my day this was a very low tuning(until sepultura and korn went mad!).any lower than this and the whole affair sounds a mess.there is no tightness to the sound.if you want to get lower than C you need to dip your toe into the realms of 7 and 8 string guitars.
there is some fantastic solo guitar stuff up on you tube of dino from fear factory/divine heresy with super low tunings on an ibanez 7 string.
on the whole very dissapointed with all of these bands on scuzz on saturday night.fat blokes dressed as pirates,women painted up like zombies and singing like a cat coughing up fur balls.although i`ve come across them before, bring me the horizon sounded pretty good.
two tracks off the new deftones album above.this to me is "heavy".fking superb and really weighty.
i am enjoying this thread ,it`s got me thinking as to perceptions of what is heavy or not.some of that stuff that is supposed to be heavy to me actually sounds properly nuts and chaotic but not especially heavy.too "pinched " on the higher tuned stuff and too fuzzy on the lower stuff.
king superb and really weighty.i am enjoying this thread ,it`s got me thinking as to perceptions of what is heavy or not.some of that stuff that is supposed to be heavy to me actually sounds properly nuts and chaotic but not especially heavy.too "pinched " on the higher tuned stuff and too fuzzy on the lower stuff.
fking hell, obituary have conjured up some old memories!!.
i can`t get onto any of that blast beat stuff at all.musically very proficient but leaves me a bit cold.
question to all really, how did you arrive at your metal tastes of today??
i was brought up on deep purple and zepplin, which turned into iron maiden and so on round about the somewhere in time album(1986-87).this quickly turned into thrash metal in the late 80`s with slayer,testament,exodus and all the usual suspects.about the same time as this i got more turned on to hardcore.west coast for my more melodic leanings(dag nasty,descendents etc.) and east coast for the more traditional hardcore like minor threat, gorrila biscuits and all that.it went off on a bit of a tangent here because bands like biohazard had those hardcore roots but were moving it all a bit more rap/metal.
always liked sepultura but not madly until chaos ad then finally roots.by now korn and deftones had sprung up and for me widened the scopes somewhat.i`ll probably get shot down in flames for this but if limp bizkit had existed without fred fking durst they would have been epic!
king hell, obituary have conjured up some old memories!!.i can`t get onto any of that blast beat stuff at all.musically very proficient but leaves me a bit cold.
question to all really, how did you arrive at your metal tastes of today??
i was brought up on deep purple and zepplin, which turned into iron maiden and so on round about the somewhere in time album(1986-87).this quickly turned into thrash metal in the late 80`s with slayer,testament,exodus and all the usual suspects.about the same time as this i got more turned on to hardcore.west coast for my more melodic leanings(dag nasty,descendents etc.) and east coast for the more traditional hardcore like minor threat, gorrila biscuits and all that.it went off on a bit of a tangent here because bands like biohazard had those hardcore roots but were moving it all a bit more rap/metal.
always liked sepultura but not madly until chaos ad then finally roots.by now korn and deftones had sprung up and for me widened the scopes somewhat.i`ll probably get shot down in flames for this but if limp bizkit had existed without fred f
king durst they would have been epic!just had a little blimp and i really like that your demise stuff.very reminiscent of hatebreed and the throwdown stuff before their last pantera-esque leanings.
i spent a lot of time on the post hardcore stuff and when quicksand put out slip in ,what `92? my world changed forever.the biscuits had been just about my favourite hardcore band and walter`s reinvention here was epic.quicksand was probably my biggest musical influence in terms of music i wrote in my band.les pauls and rickenbackers.heaven!
interesting you mention early nin and ministry.had land of rape and honey and new world order by ministry and was a little bit into industrial as a passing phase.nine inch nails however meant much more to me.outside of heavy music i had always been a post-vince depeche mode fan(and still am to this day).when pretty hate machine arrived i was very very into it.a natural progression taking depeche modes darker side a bit darker and heavier.really impressed with reznor and in particular his instrumental soundscapes.
i can also see big links between deftones and depeche mode and it was only reading an interview with chino years later that i realized that they were just about his biggest musical influence.
sorry to ramble on but i`m really intersted in all of this musical roots stuff!
i spent a lot of time on the post hardcore stuff and when quicksand put out slip in ,what `92? my world changed forever.the biscuits had been just about my favourite hardcore band and walter`s reinvention here was epic.quicksand was probably my biggest musical influence in terms of music i wrote in my band.les pauls and rickenbackers.heaven!
interesting you mention early nin and ministry.had land of rape and honey and new world order by ministry and was a little bit into industrial as a passing phase.nine inch nails however meant much more to me.outside of heavy music i had always been a post-vince depeche mode fan(and still am to this day).when pretty hate machine arrived i was very very into it.a natural progression taking depeche modes darker side a bit darker and heavier.really impressed with reznor and in particular his instrumental soundscapes.
i can also see big links between deftones and depeche mode and it was only reading an interview with chino years later that i realized that they were just about his biggest musical influence.
sorry to ramble on but i`m really intersted in all of this musical roots stuff!
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 19th April 12:49
i heard the acacia strain the other day and was quite impressed.
glaring omission from the other day by the way....meantime by helmet.first time i heard that staccato guitar on unsung my mind went into overdrive.i can`t honestly remember a song prior to this with that same guitar style.definately influenced what`s happening today.it`s 20 years old now!!
glaring omission from the other day by the way....meantime by helmet.first time i heard that staccato guitar on unsung my mind went into overdrive.i can`t honestly remember a song prior to this with that same guitar style.definately influenced what`s happening today.it`s 20 years old now!!
i only came across them on scuzz the other night actually.can`t remember the song title but it was very chaotic in a very organized way,if you know what i mean!!
another pearler from the old revalation hardcore days was burn.the drummer went on to be in quicksand and the singer went on to form orange 9mm with chris traynor,who was in helmet.it`s all one big circle you know!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xearzoqI3KY
if you aren`t up on orange 9mm here is some old stuff.quite different in it`s day
another pearler from the old revalation hardcore days was burn.the drummer went on to be in quicksand and the singer went on to form orange 9mm with chris traynor,who was in helmet.it`s all one big circle you know!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xearzoqI3KY
if you aren`t up on orange 9mm here is some old stuff.quite different in it`s day
and who can forget this gem by downswet??!!! AAANNNGGGEEERRRR!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6IQxhkVIEw&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6IQxhkVIEw&fea...
Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 20th April 09:12
gbbird said:
I only remember snippets of my descent into the world that is Metal It began when I was about 11 or 12 , and I believe Mr Ritchie Blackmore and Rainbow’s Down To Earth (All Night Long and Since You Been Gone in particular) were the main protagonists, although prior to that my older brother had got me into Meatloaf’s Bat Out Of Hell.
Soon after getting into Rainbow, a whole host of guitar influenced musical opportunities presented themselves, and I started to listen to bits of Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, along with other more current rock/metal bands such as Whitesnake, Bon Jovi and Europe. At around the same time, I decided I wanted to learn to play the guitar so I too could be a rock god like Messrs Blackmore or Page. I took to the guitar pretty well, and my style soon became apparent as leaning towards to the heavier side of strumming, so my musical tastes followed suit. I remember buying my first Iron Maiden album – 7th Son – and at first I didn’t like it at all, finding it just too heavy. But I soon got into it, and then the floodgates really opened up as a started to hang around with individuals with similar musical leanings, and with whom I later formed my first band. I began to listen to Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer when I was about 15, and it went downhill from there as I soon adopted the mantra of the heavier the better. I shunned the indie scene, and broadened my metal horizons with bands such as Mordred, Sepultura, Toranaga, CoC, Deicide, Anacrusis, Morbid Angel, Death Angel, Paradise Lost, Cancer, Kreator, Pantera, Candlemass, Sacred Reich, Death, Soundgarden, Biohazard, the mighty BATHORY and of course the even mightier SABBAT. I continued to like the hair metal too, such as Skid Row and MSG, and one band that sticks out in this category is LEATHERWOLF – still one of my all time faves to this day. I really liked the technical thrash stuff, so Atheist, Cynic, Pestilence and Watchtower were frequently on my cassette deck. These kept me going through my student years, and I was in a number of bands which I like to think drew on most of these influences.
I then got into the Christian Thrash scene, thanks mainly to the mighty BELIEVER, and listened to groups like Sacrament, Tourniquet and Living Sacrifice. Also in this category were Detritus, which I first got into at school but never really realised they were Christian
Some years later I discovered the Swedish/Scandinavian Metal scene, thanks to Dark Tranquility, Amon Amarth, At The Gates etc, and from that I began to delve into Black Metal, mainly Emperor, Ulver, Borknagar, Burzum etc. I explored a number of bands on the Displeased Records label, for example Consolation, Nembrionic Hammerdeath, Altar, Rhadamantys, Celestial Season, Infernal Majesty etc.
I started to give the nu-metal stuff and some of the newer thrash bands a go, liking some but not all, but I always ended up going back to the classics and buying up the back catalogues of bands such as Dark Angel, Celtic Frost, .
Other relatively ‘recent’ bands who I appreciate are Machinehead, Deftones, System Of A Down, Avenged Sevenfold, and Mastodon to name but a few.
I continue to listen to almost any genre of metal, as long as it’s good and packs a punch. Some do it for me, some do not – it matters not what genre it is.
mordred!! i`d forgotten them.didn`t their album have a jester on the front?f It began when I was about 11 or 12 , and I believe Mr Ritchie Blackmore and Rainbow’s Down To Earth (All Night Long and Since You Been Gone in particular) were the main protagonists, although prior to that my older brother had got me into Meatloaf’s Bat Out Of Hell. Soon after getting into Rainbow, a whole host of guitar influenced musical opportunities presented themselves, and I started to listen to bits of Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, along with other more current rock/metal bands such as Whitesnake, Bon Jovi and Europe. At around the same time, I decided I wanted to learn to play the guitar so I too could be a rock god like Messrs Blackmore or Page. I took to the guitar pretty well, and my style soon became apparent as leaning towards to the heavier side of strumming, so my musical tastes followed suit. I remember buying my first Iron Maiden album – 7th Son – and at first I didn’t like it at all, finding it just too heavy. But I soon got into it, and then the floodgates really opened up as a started to hang around with individuals with similar musical leanings, and with whom I later formed my first band. I began to listen to Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer when I was about 15, and it went downhill from there as I soon adopted the mantra of the heavier the better. I shunned the indie scene, and broadened my metal horizons with bands such as Mordred, Sepultura, Toranaga, CoC, Deicide, Anacrusis, Morbid Angel, Death Angel, Paradise Lost, Cancer, Kreator, Pantera, Candlemass, Sacred Reich, Death, Soundgarden, Biohazard, the mighty BATHORY and of course the even mightier SABBAT. I continued to like the hair metal too, such as Skid Row and MSG, and one band that sticks out in this category is LEATHERWOLF – still one of my all time faves to this day. I really liked the technical thrash stuff, so Atheist, Cynic, Pestilence and Watchtower were frequently on my cassette deck. These kept me going through my student years, and I was in a number of bands which I like to think drew on most of these influences.
I then got into the Christian Thrash scene, thanks mainly to the mighty BELIEVER, and listened to groups like Sacrament, Tourniquet and Living Sacrifice. Also in this category were Detritus, which I first got into at school but never really realised they were Christian
Some years later I discovered the Swedish/Scandinavian Metal scene, thanks to Dark Tranquility, Amon Amarth, At The Gates etc, and from that I began to delve into Black Metal, mainly Emperor, Ulver, Borknagar, Burzum etc. I explored a number of bands on the Displeased Records label, for example Consolation, Nembrionic Hammerdeath, Altar, Rhadamantys, Celestial Season, Infernal Majesty etc.
I started to give the nu-metal stuff and some of the newer thrash bands a go, liking some but not all, but I always ended up going back to the classics and buying up the back catalogues of bands such as Dark Angel, Celtic Frost, .
Other relatively ‘recent’ bands who I appreciate are Machinehead, Deftones, System Of A Down, Avenged Sevenfold, and Mastodon to name but a few.
I continue to listen to almost any genre of metal, as long as it’s good and packs a punch. Some do it for me, some do not – it matters not what genre it is.
Edited by gbbird on Tuesday 20th April 09:09
king great bandEdited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 20th April 11:39
ithink the best metal live performance i have ever seen was megadeth at birmingham nec co headlining with slayer on the clash of the titans tour.supporting rust in peace and it was mindblowing.made a show of slayer.from memory suicidal tendencies,the almighty,and a new unheard of band called alice in chains were supporting!(1990????)
I SAW FUDGE TUNNEL SUPPORTING (sorry caps lock on) pitch shifter many moons ago in the planet x in liverpool.i`m not joking ,i was only in my early teens and i couldn`t hear for days after.
saw some cracking bands down there.we used to get a surprising amount of east coast hardcore bands coming over.supertouch,gorrila biscuits etc.
saw some cracking bands down there.we used to get a surprising amount of east coast hardcore bands coming over.supertouch,gorrila biscuits etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ugKNS7znXU
we supported these guys back in `96 ithink it was.nothing like the tastes of you mad bds in here but sensational live band!.samiam were also on the bill.bit of a weird time for revelation records as a lot of the west coast sounding stuff was filtering east and revelation`s sound was expanding a lot.good times!
worst times were missing out on supporting korn on their first trip to these shores at the krazyhouse liverpool.also, missing out on supporting biohazard because our bass player was on holiday.i`d have come home early for a piece of that action!
we supported these guys back in `96 ithink it was.nothing like the tastes of you mad b
ds in here but sensational live band!.samiam were also on the bill.bit of a weird time for revelation records as a lot of the west coast sounding stuff was filtering east and revelation`s sound was expanding a lot.good times!worst times were missing out on supporting korn on their first trip to these shores at the krazyhouse liverpool.also, missing out on supporting biohazard because our bass player was on holiday.i`d have come home early for a piece of that action!
Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 21st April 07:28
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