Embarrassed to have a 4x4.....
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Not sure why I am even writing this but feel dismayed recently at the actions of fellow off roaders, I drive a grand cherokee, 4 inch lift and 33 inch tyres, had it for years, been all over and have some wonderful memories in it with me and my son.
I live in Leicestershire and many of the local lanes by me have been (lawfully I might add) blocked by farmers who are clearly fed up with a lane running adjacent to their land getting chewed up, no problem I hear you say that's the game we play, but then the idiots amongst our flock then decide it's a bit too much so drive down the verges or through the poor sods fields, this is the blokes lively hood surely??? If you cant make it don't go down it!
Throw this in with the odd land rover hooning around the village like a nutter I have just about enough of being stared at like I am 'one of them', no wonder when you do go through someones land to find a bit of countryside your usually me with (at the very least) suspicion.
Not sure what to do to be honest, I have a great time with my boy, is enough enough and time to sell up and face the inevitable that these clowns will spoil it for everyone?!
Rant over.....
I live in Leicestershire and many of the local lanes by me have been (lawfully I might add) blocked by farmers who are clearly fed up with a lane running adjacent to their land getting chewed up, no problem I hear you say that's the game we play, but then the idiots amongst our flock then decide it's a bit too much so drive down the verges or through the poor sods fields, this is the blokes lively hood surely??? If you cant make it don't go down it!
Throw this in with the odd land rover hooning around the village like a nutter I have just about enough of being stared at like I am 'one of them', no wonder when you do go through someones land to find a bit of countryside your usually me with (at the very least) suspicion.
Not sure what to do to be honest, I have a great time with my boy, is enough enough and time to sell up and face the inevitable that these clowns will spoil it for everyone?!
Rant over.....
Sorry, not sure I've explained myself properly, lane was open and all good, got boggy and rutted so some people decided to use the farmers fields instead, making a mess off it.....now the lane has concrete bollards either end, I reported to council who told me the land owner had applied through them for a temporary closure....presumably due to the mess caused off lane on his land, does that make sense???
Looking at the state of it I can't blame him, one of my fave lanes too, very sad.
Looking at the state of it I can't blame him, one of my fave lanes too, very sad.
TooMany2cvs said:
A green lane (a BOAT, Byway Open to All Traffic) has a vehicular RoW, same as the M25 is, yes. An unadopted road in a housing or industrial estate is a vehicular RoW, too - yet the council don't maintain those.
The only difference between the different classes of RoW are the users allowed. The council don't have any responsibility to cut the grass along the footpath that goes through my back garden. Horses and cyclists can't use that, but they can use bridleways and restricted byways (what used to be RUPPs) - like the one through the woods down the lane. Motor vehicles can't use those, but they can use BOATs - like the one that goes up from the junction at the bottom of my garden, probably an old drover's route. Maintenance of that is the landowner's responsibility - whoever that might be.
You might want to read this:The only difference between the different classes of RoW are the users allowed. The council don't have any responsibility to cut the grass along the footpath that goes through my back garden. Horses and cyclists can't use that, but they can use bridleways and restricted byways (what used to be RUPPs) - like the one through the woods down the lane. Motor vehicles can't use those, but they can use BOATs - like the one that goes up from the junction at the bottom of my garden, probably an old drover's route. Maintenance of that is the landowner's responsibility - whoever that might be.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-rights-of-way-l...
Serious Looking Government Website said:
Maintaining and protecting public rights of way
The highway authority must:
keep the surface of public rights of way which are maintained at public expense in a fit state for public use
make sure obstructions are removed
maintain some bridges over natural watercourses, including farm ditches
provide at least a 25% contribution to landowners’ costs for replacing and maintaining structures for the control of animals, eg gates or stiles, on completion of the work to a standard the highway authority is satisfied with
make sure there are no notices that prevent or discourage the use of a public right of way
add signs where a public right of way leaves metalled roads
make sure the public’s rights to use a public right of way are protected
make sure landowners carry out their duties, and take action if they don’t
No mention of surfaced or unsurfaced other than the addition of signs where a RoW leaves a metalled road.The highway authority must:
keep the surface of public rights of way which are maintained at public expense in a fit state for public use
make sure obstructions are removed
maintain some bridges over natural watercourses, including farm ditches
provide at least a 25% contribution to landowners’ costs for replacing and maintaining structures for the control of animals, eg gates or stiles, on completion of the work to a standard the highway authority is satisfied with
make sure there are no notices that prevent or discourage the use of a public right of way
add signs where a public right of way leaves metalled roads
make sure the public’s rights to use a public right of way are protected
make sure landowners carry out their duties, and take action if they don’t
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 13th July 23:09
TooMany2cvs said:
Crossflow Kid said:
...so the HA's remit isn't dictated by whether a RoW is surfaced or not, it's whether or not it's adopted or not hence quite a few "green lanes" [i]are[/-] eligible for upkeep by the relevant HA.
Unsurfaced doesn't automatically mean unadopted.
That's what everybody's been saying all along.Unsurfaced doesn't automatically mean unadopted.
TooMany2cvs said:
Umm, no. Like footpaths, bridleways and all other RoWs, they're unadopted - the council are under no obligation to maintain them at all. The landowner does have an obligation to maintain them, though.
Some RoW are adopted. Some, not all. The way I read what you've put is that unsurfaced RoW are unadopted by default and that just isn't the case.
TooMany2cvs said:
Crossflow said:
The way I read what you've put is that unsurfaced RoW are unadopted by default and that just isn't the case.
I never mentioned surface.Never mind
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