MSV Team Trophy & Trackday Trophy 2014

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2014 dates for TT and TDT released today. Rockingham has been added this year and the Brands GP race is to be a combined TT and TDT race. At present there is no Cadwell for TDT, only TT however another race scheduled for June/July is yet to be announced.

I will be competing again in my VX220 in Team Trophy as a single driver and will also do some Trackday Trophy dates with a novice driver. We will start with the double header at Snetterton on 5/6th April.

Anyone else planning on competing?

http://www.trackdaytrophy.co.uk/calendar-2014.aspx

http://www.team-trophy.co.uk/calendar-2014.aspx

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Output Flange said:

I'm thinking about doing a couple of TT races alongside the CSCC Future Classics.

Are there many compulsory sponsor stickers required for the TT?

When you register for the series (£80 last year) you get a sticker pack, all of which have to be on the car. Last season there was a TT/TDT screen banner, two TT/TDT smaller stickers, two MSVR stickers, two MSV stickers and six sponsor stickers as well as class stickers on the sunstrip and rear screen.

Edited by fiveoclockhero1 on Monday 20th January 16:06

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Team registration opened at 3pm on Monday and over 60 teams are registered after 24 hours so looks like there are going to be full grids at most if not all races the same as last season.

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jj. said:

We entered for the Trackday Trophy - would be nice to get confirmation that we are actually IN the race.!??? Bearing in mind we need to book a hotel for the Friday night before, and it's currently eerrrr Tuesday.

Really MSV, you can't send out confirmation any earlier...? stuff! needs to get organised you know...!
jj

We've never received a confirmation. AFAIK if they accept your payment then you have a place. The races you have booked appear on your team page when you have logged in on the TT/TDT web site. If its on there then you're in.
What is a bit much is that there is no entries list on the MSVR web site with only 3 days to go.

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jj. said:

What happened in the Trackday Trophy on Saturday, you & the 968 were whipping everyone, then I saw you in the pits before the pitstop window opened, with the bonnet off..? I assume some sort of problem..?
jj

Gear cable popped off and I was stuck in third. It happened on about the 4th lap just past the pit entrance so I had to do a whole lap before coming in. Lap timer showed 6 minutes for two laps and the pit stop when we were doing 2.20's so lost about 1m 20s. Went in P1, came out p14. Managed to get back up to P9 and then my mate went out and eventually got us to 5th and a third in class. Could have been worse.
We were in Team Trophy the next day also. I went out first, we were P10 when I came in and 4th in class. Second driver went out and was chasing a BMW in the same class and a backmarker in a misfiring Fiesta saw the BMW, pulled over, didnt see the VX and turned hard into its drivers side. Bent wishbones, damaged wheel, snapped steering arm, damaged front clam and door. Race over.
Repairs are ongoing and we'll be at Oulton Park to try again.

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Trek930 said:

I thought Id be different by racing in an ST220, unfortunately for me TDI are running their own car, which happens to be....a bleedin ST220. Mines still road legal though :-)

And you got a trophy

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I thought the track was badly marked out with cones ie. where they wanted you to turn left off the bowl and I thought the infield seemed a bit of an after thought after they built the banked circuit. Also there was a huge amount of debris on the banked turn. It was hard, hot work but not as hard work as Cadwell!!!!

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Soul Reaver said:

I quite liked it although the wall is quite imposing.

Pants start for me from 4th on the grid i dropped to 7th or 8th I think so I spent the first 30 mins clawing my way back to 4th, good tussle with the Porsche for a few laps. I then promptly spun off on Kesters oil after his rod exit and ripped both tires off the rims in the gravel trap on the fast left hander just before the hairpin. Car ran well though and has much more time in it so I'm happy.

You must have been well in the gravel the length of time the safety car was out, I had handed over to my other driver by then. We had one of our better weekends getting a race win in TDT on Saturday and 9th and 3rd in class in TT on Sunday

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iguana said:

So how is that tailwing stolen off a 747 legal on the vx220?

Meant to be a stock silhouette in that series non?

Because it complies with section 5.8.2 of the regulations and the series organiser and the scrutineers in every one of 15 races have said that it complies.

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djroadboy said:

"Bodywork must be complete and standard in shape and silhouette, material and
thickness on all exterior surfaces except that bonnets, boots and spoilers may be
replaced with lightweight replicas and any non metallic panel may be replaced with
a fibreglass replica. In the case of a hatchback the hatch may be fibreglass"

Dan

Thats 5.8.1, now read 5.8.2 and thats how it complies

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djroadboy said:

Yes, I wasn't arguing the point Mark. Just showing what the regs say.

5.8.2 pretty much says that anything goes as long as you're not dominating. Wonder if they'd let me run a central seat Lotus. Strange set of regulations but it seems to work ok.

Dan

I was talking to Jez at BoT about this today, about converting the VX to centre seat, its really not a hard job, however reg 5.9d says the driver must sit entirely to one side of the centre line of the car and I believe CSCC, 750MC and Eurosaloons say similar.

Are you doing the Brands GP mixed TDT/TT race on the Lotus Festival Saturday?

Edited by fiveoclockhero1 on Thursday 29th May 01:02

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andy97 said:

Centre seat Elise would be allowed in CSCC Modern Classics and would be very welcome as long as it complies with our few other regs.

The VX220 rear wing is removed for CSCC.

I see that as odd as IMO the centre seat would give more of an advantage than the wing. So are you saying the centre seat Elise would be allowed as a handful, 14 years ago, were factory centre seat but never road registered whereas no VXs were and that wouldnt be allowed a centre seat?

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djroadboy said:

Not gonna have a car ready for then unfortunately. Would like to do a full season next year though. Can't decide whether to build an S1 Motorsport Elise or a 2-11.

Dan

S1 chassis is the way forward

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Trek930 said:

I agree, Im aware I run at the bottom end of Class B but he passed me like I was standing still!

And me and I'm at the top of class B, mind you I had a class C BMW outdrag me well down the straight also!! There was a lot of contact and a lot of reckless moves on Saturday. I drove in the two 20 minute allcomer races at Snetterton 3 weeks ago and I had no contact nor did I see any.

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staceyboy said:

I'm not saying folk don't cheat, but there are so many variables it makes it a lottery when it comes to pointing the finger. It would help if MSV put their hand in their pocket and brought the dyno to a few more rounds....

This, weighing at the end of the race is almost pointless, I dont know why they bother

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steeviegeebies said:

Weight is one of the two variables. I think it makes total sense to check wight every race, especially if you're required to carry ballast per your registered P/W, inc the aero/sequential penalty ballast.

Its pointless because people know they're not going to get power tested at the circuit so if they're going to cheat they cheat on the power. There is next to no need to cheat on the weight and risk getting caught. All it is is MSV saying "look we're doing something to combat cheating", I'd like to know how many they've caught underweight, it would be nothing compared to how many they'd catch over power.

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staceyboy said:

If there was no weighing then it would end up like at Rockingham where some folk realised there was no scales.

I believe some folk were found underweight at the Oulton TT the next round. Did MSVR not weight everyone at that round?

I would imagine you're referring to us as you or your associates were seen to look into our car at Rockingham after the race when we won and comment something along the lines of "yes, they've taken it out". Yes we did take a 23kg lead block out and put it back in over the front wheels as we were getting understeer in qualifying. We run 85kg of ballast spread around the car. Some in the passenger area, some in the passenger door, some behind the drivers seat and some over the front wheels in the battery area. We could easily have taken it out from somewhere else where it wouldnt have been visible but we had nothing to hide. I'm sponsored by and drive with the owner of Back on Track Motorsport, a highly regarded Lotus independant with an impeccable reputation. There is too much to lose by cheating on a few kgs in a novice series.
I know you also were put out about our rear wing. We played it by the book with the rear wing. We submitted photographs of it fitted to the car to Nick Rice who consulted with scrutineers and we were told it was fine. At our first race at Oulton Park in 2013 it was passed by scrutineers. We did well in that race, we finished second, we were weighed afterwards and during this we were asked to drop the wing below the roof line, we did this. We then competed in 15 or more races with the wing and it was deemed to be ok. When we then got an email from Lee-Anne regarding body silhouette we removed it, we weren't asked to directly but we decided if its causing conflict we would remove it, there isn't much gain from it on most tracks anyway, we even put in another 1kg in ballast to compensate. On more than one occasion we have been in with the Clerk of Course regarding suspect cars and Nick Rice will confirm the many conversations I've had with him about this. We dont cheat, we have too much to lose and also, like you, I'm of the mind any success gained would be a hollow victory.

Edited by fiveoclockhero1 on Thursday 21st August 12:02

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jeff666 said:

That's interesting regarding the ballast, I thought the rules were that it had to be positioned where the passenger would normally sit ?

The two guys who race BMW's had special boxes made up specifically for the ballast and they were bolted to the passenger seat mounts.

In fact they ended up reducing the power rather than carrying the extra weight.

The series regs say within the confines of the vehicle, they make no mention of whereabouts on the vehicle.

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On another point of contention in TT and TDT I hear a rumour that, at last, there is going to be power testing at Brands in a fortnight.

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staceyboy said:

Believe it when I see it.

Heard it from two sources, one not so connected but the other reckoned it was going to happen. As you say, we'll see.