does any one have a TUV or EU verification number ?

[bamsetand]

Hi all ultima Guys
I am planning to registret my ultima gtr in Denmark, so to avoid crash test i need the TUV verification or approuval numbers from a EU country best if it is from germany or sweden.

All help is needed since the danish transport officials are hard bananas.

kindest regards

[bamsetand]

F.C. said:

I can't imagine there would be TUV certification on these cars it is prohibitively expensive on such a low production rate.
Call the factory they will have the knowledge you need (even if it's bad!!) good luck.

Thanks F.C
I just wonder how other ultima gtr owners in germany sweden france can get type approval or even a EC certification?
it would so much better if there existed an standard type approval for ultima cars.

do you know how many cars ultima cars produce a year. i read it had to be more than 500 a year.

[bamsetand]

Pascal Mertens said:

Well as far as my knowledge goes before april 2009 you we're fine with a UK SVA-approval but now you need a COC wich obviously is very hard to obtain for a small constructor like Ultima.

In Belgium anyway it is impossible to get a new Ultima on the road unless you would be interested in going through all the tests wich will come at an extreme cost... So cars like Bac Mono, Ultima, Caterham 620,... are VERY hard if not impossible to get on the road without full factory support.

I would doubt it very much if there are new road-legal Ultima's in Europe besides the UK.

500 Cars a year ??? I believe somebody would be very happy in Leicester...

Edited by Pascal Mertens on Thursday 12th May 09:17

Regarding road legal Ultimas in EU .. perhaps that is why no one respond here.. i have spoken to various people here in piston heads from germany, spain and sweden france who claims they got their ultima registreted. But i think it is very impossible to get ultima on the street in EU. Also it is impossible to get any help from the factory. so i think i will not try at all.
But it is interesting how Caterham and ac cobra is driving the streets in Denmark. the law is different when it is a replica car as i can understand. But Ultima is not a replica or a conversion look-a-like if only ultima ltd was to claim it is a replica of ex renault leman(street legal version) then i would be able to registrate the car. But no such luck.

[bamsetand]

deadscoob said:

Isn't there a German builder on here, who has built numerous for customers? Uwe Spatz (RIP) also built 2 in Germany and road registered them....

Found who is was thinking of - Sven - SchimmS.

Have you contacted him?

Edited by deadscoob on Thursday 12th May 16:19

Thanks deadscoob

how do i contact them here?

[bamsetand]

UltimaCH said:

There is a site in Germany, but in German....
http://www.ultimacars.de/?page_id=4

thanks for the link Ultimach

[bamsetand]

Steve_D said:

Look for SchimmS and Spatz in the members directory.
When Uwe (Spatz) died it was only weeks after he picked up his second Ultima for TUV approval.
Sven (SchimmS) was with him when he picked up the car.

If you send a PM to Spatz his wife Heike may well answer. It was her intention to keep driving at least one of his cars.

Steve

Hey steve D
i am in contact with http://www.ultimacars.de who said they can help. but i will look up sven schims.
it so nice in pistonheads-ultima since you all are so helpful. thanks.

[bamsetand]

hey all
i got in talk with schimms sven from http://www.ultimacars.de who knows ALOT about registration of ultima since they build about 30 a year and registrate them...
But now it is impossible to aprove a new ultima,to euro6. only LS1 can pass euro6 tuv. but it has never been used in the car yet. so it is no good.

dr. straus at ultimacars.de told me if the car has registration in germany the car can pass all other eu countries. and that is good news for all..

but he also states that from now on no new ultima will registrate. which will make the cars become very collective and expensive. and that is good news.))

Have a nice weekend all of you and thanks for all the support

[bamsetand]

SchimmS said:

Wow, I just read the thread and I`m amazed at the 30 cars a year! If that would be the case I`m sure there`d be easier ways to get them road registered ;-)

dear schimms thanks for your advice recently. Well i am sure you would know better then i, in the case of the 30 cars. but that was what i heard dr.strauss said. perhaps it was in total .. who cares.. i am just very Very grateful for the help from you and your friend.

what is normally the registration costs in germany?

[bamsetand]

F.C. said:

dandare said:

CTE said:

Yet another case for Brexit...it is only a matter of time before the pen pushing do gooder beaurocrats in Brussels ban any form of hobby motoring in the name of environment...but we can still all use stinking public transport!

Will a brexit help to register British cars in Europe? I don't think so.

Do you still have the TR6 bits in the attic?

Tough sh*t I'm alright Jack.
If you don't like EU rules and Regs .
You know what to do!
If we stay in the EU bureaucracy will eventually kill our hobby.

Well i dont believe that it is a matter of EU or not. neither a matter of laws of enviroment. since ls7 corvette is on the street in Eu so is so many other sports cars. i would rather blame it on Ultima since the company DID not make it any easier to regs their own cars. if ultima would be smart they would have pre testet and crash testet and made the lobby work for their own cars audi r8 or lamborghini is not having these issues with EU rules as Ultima cars do. this is only because the company does not wish to be involved. and it is such a pity for them selfs and the rest of us who loves the cars. we are all doomed to individualy to struggle with Eu rules.

If Ultima wants to survive, it should and can make the cars pre-street legal if it wanted to, so does so many other companies. and i dont see ac-copra people cry with polluting v8 engines. why ?? because the company knew that they had to make them legal for EU streets in advance. If i had to choose for a track car instead i would choose an other sports-car.

The reason for me to choose Ultima is the fact that it is also street legal.

So ... Ultima ltd has the key to our solution i think.

[bamsetand]

F.C. said:

Steve_D said:

I know of another kitcar manufacturer who started down the route of getting the low production EU approval. The cost was prohibitive so they gave up.
A couple of examples. Fuel tank pressure test £6k. Seat belt pull test £100K.

Steve

Indeed, I suspect the entire revenue of Ultima since 1992 would not come close to a fully "type tested" car.

To compare Ultima to Audi / Lamboghini in development terms is laughable.

Well to compare ultima to audi/ was not a state fact example, nor to debate if they are the same, but rather to say that if i had to regs the car in Denmark i would as a person have to pay my self for the crash test.

On the other hand i already knew there could be issues with getting the car registrated in denmark, before i i got it. So not being able to registrate the car is my own risk.
the laws of production cars are set by big commerciel corporations lobbying to prevent smaller companies to inter the market. the restriction starts at 500 cars minimum a year. which is B:::S since producing 500 pieces does not make a car better, safer or nor more enviromental. In most cases and in this case with ultima´s small production cars are safer to drive then so many huge production cars. I think this is a matter of lobbyismen. and it is sad the industry prevent each other.

in denmark some 5 years ago ac copra was illegal in Denmark to the fact that a english producer of this kit car repported
that other manufactures of this kit safety and constrution could cause disaster and accidents in trafic. making their brand the only ac copra brand allowed in DK. this is called lobbyismen.
this is what causes the problems. and i could only fear what other big companies does to each other to prevent competition by stepping on each other.
But this is only my opinion. and thanks for the debate.

[bamsetand]

johnnygriff said:

Caterham, Morgan & one model of Westfield are all sold in France through official dealers which would mean they have all gone through the process for European Type Approval and the resultant European COC. I'd have thought that if Westfield can do that, so could Ultima. Quite possibly, they just see markets like France and Denmark as having too limited sales potential for the outlay, especially as they seem pretty busy currently.

Ultima could gain alot by getting the aprovals in EU. germany cant registrate any new ultima anymore. the problem with aproval it all over europe perhaps they sell better in the america without any changes.

Denmark has the highest tax on cars in general at 350% but there is an increase in sales of sports cars because of leasing agreement from germany so it means many " new ritch kids" in denmark can drive new lamboghini cabriolet for rent etc.

if only ultima would be so kind to make the aproval for our cars, then i am sure sales will increase. even caterham drives legal in denmark.
i was told the only way to get aproval within denmark was to have two ultima`s. one for registration and the other for crash test. if ultima offered just one car to do this in EU it would be legal all over EU. in concern with the engine ultima also has problems in califonia with to high co2 levels.
in the end i will just go to the tracks and dream of the streets :-) with my ultima.
We have a say about this. don't bite the hand that feeds you.