The Men Who Made Us Fat

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On now, BBC2.

1 in 4 is obese.
2 thirds are overweight.

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I really liked it.
Reminded of of the work of Ian Curtis. Quite depressing how the food corporations bent science/common sense around to suit their own agenda and now we have such a problem. The time scale was daunting, how fatties have soared in the last few decades.

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It's not quite as simple as carbs are bad and meat is good. It depends on the carbs, and too much of anything isn't good. Our diets are very carb heavy now though.
There are a few threads in the health forum about this, and some people who have been experimenting for years and are very knowledgeable.


Grumble, I watched a show a few years ago that explained why Atkins worked for people, they ate less on it, the fat/protein in the food stimulated the brain to say 'no more' full up, when they studied what people actually ate volume wise on the Atkins versus another 'diet'.

EDLT said:

I missed this, did they mention that pizza is now a vegetable?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/pizza-veg...

Most funny...or sad? I watched Jamie Oliver in his show about American schools, the nutritional advice for American school children is disgusting, they want a nation of stupid fatties. And encouraging kids to drink sugar rich milkshakes, pizza, deep fried foods and bread as a healthy diet is insane.

Next week they will how our (US/UK) diet has changed in the last 30 years.

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SpeedBash said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/why...

This article was linked.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/sep/15/hig...
All pretence of free market goes out the window and it's just about making people addicted and reaming them of their cash. Who cares that society will be buried under the weight of it's own blubber.
Just like drug dealers.
'Hey try our new product, it's called heroinsmiley face, just try it and see that smile spread.

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oldbanger said:

Shame that the book is bright red in colour and called "Why we get fat" or something similar, as it's not one you can read on the train.

It is, so long as you are munching on a footlong hot-dog dribbling tomato sauce down your shirt.

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B Huey said:

Halb said:

On now, BBC2.

1 in 4 is obese.
2 thirds are overweight.

I've heard these stats and I don't believe it. You only need to look around to see they are rubbish.

No way the vast majority of people are overweight.

I look round and I believe it, certainly not rubbish from what I see.
Sitting in a coffee house yesterday, looking around, fatties everywhere. One lady, I looked at her and I was mildly surprised she could shift her own frame, another was in a mobility scooter. There were at least three people who I estimated at over 20 stones.
The trouble is, overweight is becoming normal/accepted, fat is becoming overweight, and obese is becoming fat.

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Lost soul said:

I see fat people all over the place

Stop snooping on me and mine!

Magic919 said:

I think we need to re-adjust our perception of fat and overweight. I cycled over to Race for Life yesterday and watched thousands of people go by. We've never had so many fat people. I saw about a dozen other cyclists and the rest mostly drove there. Many people then sat and ate far in excess of the energy they'd burnt on a gentle 5k.

Quite. Perceptions have shifted somewhat in the last 30 years.

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Lost soul said:

Then pull the curtains or stop parading around the bedroom

But I like the freedom!

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Supersize me!

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mattikake said:

stuff.


NB: this is a conspiracy!

Yeah. but it doesn't make it ot true!
All anyone needs to do is look at how the IF/World Bank offers it loans.
There is also a decent film called The Corporation, might interest some. It shows how the USAF has been used as a weapon to bash all the third world countries in the Americas (and elsewhere) into submission to grow bananas and whatnot. And when the USA came close to an attempted (apart from JFK) military coup d'état.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_%28fi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy

Tycho said:

I've just started the Harcombe diet and it is wierd as I've dropped 2.5lbs in the last 2 days but cutting out dairy, carbs, processed food and sugars. It has been hard as I love coffee but you can't have milk and only decaf so I have had a ripping headache but I just had a bacon omlette for breakfast!

Black coffee? And why no dairy?

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Xaero said:

We've been eating bread a long time, which seems to get a lot of stick these days. It's even written in some 2000 year old book about our daily bread, and they weren't obese back then.

Is the bread they ate then the same as the stuff that most eat now?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/8907-need-sugar-...

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InfoRetrieval said:

I don't believe this is true. The truth is that people are too lazy to cook from raw ingredients (me included sometimes), or perhaps they don't know how.

I think that is more accurate.
Fresh veg in Aldi is very cheap.

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Thanks, hope my plus picks it up.

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The Olympics backed by bad food issue is on Newsnight now.
Sugar is cropping up.

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Fort Jefferson said:

People do not get fat over night, they get fat one burger, one fizzy drink, one pint, one low fat biscuit, one chocolate snack, one spoonful of added extra sugar or corn syrup at a time.

The ting the programme should drive home is how pour Western society id designed to get people addicted and then keep them addicted at the risk of their own health. It's worse than smoking.
The added sugar in everything (look at labels, it really is in everything, yanks even put it in bread!). The hamburger isn't even that bad, its all the other crap.
We are a sugar mad nation, and the wilful deceit of the food companies is boggling, especially some of the crap they were coming out with, that that woman who was tying to defend coke, perhaps the most unhealthy drink on the planet.
The other thing which hopefully people will pick up on is that you can still be fat when thin, along with the all the other issues like diabetes.

When you look at all the money wasted on the ridiculous 'war on drugs'. Imagine an alien looking at British life in the last 30 years, as we eat our way into unhealthy immobile death. Turkeys do indeed vote for Christmas.

On firebox there used to be some berries you could buy, that if you ate them made everything taste sweet. A fella tried to get them popular in the 60s or 70s but there was talk of a conspiracy, which I can well believe now. It would basically have meant the end of sugar as the extra add-on in everything.


edited to add that even the food you may think is good for you...like lean chicken? The chickens of the 70s had 30% less fat in the lean meat. Because they were all grown as chickens were meant to be grown, on a farm, naturally. Move forward and we have factory farming by the thousands, little cages with birds that are pumped full of st to get them bigger. The result? Much bigger birds but much fatter and unhealthier as well. Not to mention the cruelty issue.
The natural unassuming greed of the human will be the end of it.

And that berry was the miracle fruit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synsepalum_dulcificum

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bebee said:

Sorry, I can't stand the way he reports, the 'up and down' tone he uses to make everything he says factual, when it's mostly a guess at best, the guys a knob.

Which bits are guesswork?

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The above vile creature is the public health minster, Anne Milton.
To hear her croak at the end of the show was quite unsettling, another ugly politician just lying and covering arses.
Legislation doesn't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Milton#Controver...

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BliarOut said:

Interesting to see the Sainsbury traffic light on the sandwich vs the wrap. I'd have picked the wrap if I wanted to be healthy. Shame this wasn't introduced, it'd make it much easier to achieve your goals if you were trying to lose weight.

Sainsburys went up in my view. Wish I had one near me.

http://www.epha.org/a/4814

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grumbledoak said:

There are traffic lights on Sainsbury and Waitrose stuff. Tesco was big objector.

Makes you wonder what they were terrified of?
Common sense would seem to indicate people will still buy the really bad stuff (that have no alternatives) because it tastes great, and will simply switch from the mildly bad stuff to mildly good stuff if there are alternatives, they won't starve. That is what Sainburys found out.