Hunted

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New series starts tomorrow (Thursday) on C4.
Looks promising going by the trailers and the first series was very engaging in places despite being another "reality" show.
For those what don't know, it's a real life Jason Bourne type thing where ordinary folk go on the run against a selection of professional detectives, surveillance teams and trackers.

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miniman said:

Hmmm... isn't it more a case of "simpletons go on the run chased by people who know exactly where they're going"?

Not really.
Remember the doctor in Series1? Got from Kent to Glencoe before they'd even decided where to look let alone set out after him, then he filmed them across the Loch searching a bothy he'd long since vacated but where he'd left a mobile for them to find with a taunting text message letting them know he'd filmed the entire thing.
Then there were the two Asian lads who left a trail of false clues in the form of emails and texts backdated to before they even went on the run.
Granted they were no Bravo Two Zero but neither were they simpletons.

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True, it did have a few holes in it but I guess that's down to even the mighty C4 not having the same legal clout as the Home Office when it comes to sticking a camera up someone's bum.
The "ANPR data" for example was clearly the production team simply passing on where the suspects' vehicles were.

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Sir Bagalot said:

I can't see how a 2nd series will work. Unless of course the people taking part are stupid and learnt nothing from season 1 to avoid getting caught

Thing is, as well as tactics there are other factors that can change the whole thing.
The individuals involved will have different motivation and strengths/weaknesses, and things like weather can make a massive difference. There's also a huge chunk of luck involved for both sides.
Evasion is a game with constantly moving goalposts.

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Interesting change of starting format which seems to load things massively in favour of the hunter force which is a shame.
The two military guys will be interesting. They have skills, experience and discipline but those very traits will also make them stand out.

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KTF said:

The military guys have the right idea as they are going into the countryside away from cameras, staying with friends who will hide them, etc.

Wasn't there something in the opening narrative about them having to keep on the move though?

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I'd happily have them visit and interview my mum if I was on the run.
They'd get so bogged down with cups of luke-warm tea, baby photos and stories of when I brought my first girlfriend home theyd have no time left to come looking for me.

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KTF said:

poing said:

stuartmmcfc said:

Thanks Dad.

Those parents were shocking. I'd love to do this and have them visit my parents, they'd be great at giving away nothing and generally being bloody awkward, I was taught by the best

They must have known they would get a visit so why spill the beans or just say anything other than the truth.

Plus leaving notes around of the plans. Amateurs

Or is that simply what they want us to think?

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KTF said:

Would they not be easy to spot with a guy with camera next to them on the table?

A lot of it is filmed on phones and Go Pros and who'd look twice at someone carrying one of them these days?

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poing said:

Crossflow Kid said:

A lot of it is filmed on phones and Go Pros and who'd look twice at someone carrying one of them these days?

A person hunting someone?

So they're gonna stop everyone with a phone out in a restaurant? Good luck with that.

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gl20 said:

Just watched this for the first time but from 10mins in. What constitutes actual capture? I'm confused, as in the restaurant scene I thought the hunters were clear they'd found their guy but just hovered around, pretending to reserve a table etc l, rather than just walking up to him. What am I missing here?!

I think they triangulated them to the restaurant but hadn't actually spotted them. Maybe the hair thing did have a benefit?
Last series, "capture" seemed to be a sort of pre-agreed point at which it's clear the hunted could be physically restrained by the hunter force if it were real.

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egor110 said:

balls to the rules.

With £100k at stake I suspect the production company may have something to say about that.

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egor110 said:

Crossflow Kid said:

egor110 said:

balls to the rules.

With £100k at stake I suspect the production company may have something to say about that.

It would be interesting to see the exact ruling , ie you can only withdraw £100 a week from a certain date , if someone else buried the money then i never actually withdrew it.

I'd still head down into one of the cave networks , hardly anyone in this country goes caving so a limited amount of people would have the knowledge.

Live in a cave.......for a month? You'd have to venture out for food at some point and that's when they'd grab you.
Or are you eating batst for four weeks?

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egor110 said:

Issi said:

I'd stop there if I were you.

Moving from cave system to cave system - fantastic.

Go on ?

You could start in the north yorkshire dales then jump ship and head to the peak district then either over to wales and the brecons or down to somerset and cheddar.

Obviously above ground would be most dangerous so you'd try and keep that to the minimum amount of time.

Presumably caving involves a fair bit of kit and preparation, and has a community all of its own so once they start scratching beneath the surface of your personal profile, and figure out your Amazon purchases are mostly high powered head torches and all your friends on FB are in photos of caves, they'd soon be on to you.

Must admit the two military guys' activities do seem to be a little odd and staged at times. I'm surprised they agreed to the made up bits.

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Efbe said:

Shakermaker said:

The cctv footage from cash points etc - done afterwards and edited in?

Enjoyable enough for me to give s2 a go though.

I hope so, because most cash points don't have cameras anyhow.

I don't get the reliance on CCTV. Very few cameras are actively monitored; most are used for post-incident investigations so although it'd reveal where the fugitives were (which has a certain value), it wouldn't necessarily reveal where there are.

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Purity14 said:

A simple code such as "any message sent is false if it doesn't contain a captial letter", dead easy to remember.

D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?

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Purity14 said:

Crossflow Kid said:

D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?

Yes, of course!
As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa

You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!

Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.

And the hunter force analysts wouldn't spot any of that?
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.

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WinstonWolf said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Purity14 said:

Crossflow Kid said:

D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?

Yes, of course!
As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa

You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!

Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.

And the hunter force analysts wouldn't spot any of that?
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.

They'd only have a sample size of a few messages and they wouldn't necessarily know they were being fed a dummy.

You only need one of each to spot that one message has capitals or punctuation and the other doesn't.
It'd stand out a mile. After that it'd be a coffee-break conundrum for any decent cryptographer.

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WinstonWolf said:

Crossflow Kid said:

WinstonWolf said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Purity14 said:

Crossflow Kid said:

D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?

Yes, of course!
As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa

You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!

Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.

And the hunter force analysts wouldn't spot any of that?
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.

They'd only have a sample size of a few messages and they wouldn't necessarily know they were being fed a dummy.

You only need one of each to spot that one message has capitals or punctuation and the other doesn't.
It'd stand out a mile. After that it'd be a coffee-break conundrum for any decent cryptographer.

It's easy to agree a format or phrase that is completely innocuous in advance, if you use it often it'll show up but not the odd time.

So you can send one, maybe two messages before the encryption is compromised?
Wow. Useful that.

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How did the bloke on the bike manage to "Lose" the canal? He was on a fking towpath!