New 'Garden City' at Ebbsfleet

[109er]

They must be joking surely

Bluewater next door does NOT have any basements due to the local water table being only
4' below the surface (I was there when it was being built) and they have water pumps running
24 - 7 to keep it at that level.

This map shows where they intend to build these 15,000 + houses. The brown bit is all dirt/earth
infill and the water/lakes you can see are natural and not much lower than the surrounding area.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ebbsfleet&ll=...

Ebbsfleet International is just up and to the right so not that far away at all.

Should be interesting if they go ahead and we get another wet winter like this last one.

[109er]

Re Ebbsfleet, the report says the following 'A garden city with an initial 15,000 homes will be built at Ebbsfleet in Kent'.

AN initial 15000, there could be more

Hypothetical but possible scenario, 15000 houses with say, 50% owning 2 cars = 22500. Assuming they all
have jobs to go to and need the car:
60 cars per minute (1 per second) can get out, that = 3600 per hour = 6 hrs 15 minutes to get 22500 out.

Even if only 60% worked and needed their car it would still take 3hrs 45 minutes. Varying start times for the
jobs does not even alter this figure (6.00 am to 9.00 am start times, still takes 3hrs 45 minutes).

As for public transport/bikes, how many buses and or bikes to get 60% out, that's 13500 people.

By the way, for those that live in the area, I was one of the drivers on the first 'Fastrack' buses and due to the
'normal' traffic now, they find it difficult to stay on time. More buses in the area will not be feasible as the area
near Bluewater is almost overloaded with buses now. Add some more, and boy would you have problems. As
for bicycles just imagine say, 2000 extra potential targets on the road

Roger

Edited by 109er on Monday 17th March 09:52

[109er]

greygoose said:

Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.

My typo but, it still = 3hrs 45 minutes to get them out.

As to 'tight packed little boxes' this one is just down the road from there towards Gravesend.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

Where the London Road runs parallel to Waterside, follow the run of trees to the left then down till its just pass
Capston Mews to Rosherville Way. That lot is built in an old chalk pit. How would you like your house to have a
small 'garden' and a 45-50ft cliff face facing the back or, in some cases the front of your house. Zoom I and see what
I mean

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

Roger

[109er]

Best I can find but, they want to build it down that large hole:

The brown bit with the 'lakes' as they put it.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Bluewater&ll=...

Best pic available from the road.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Bluewater&ll=...

Roger

[109er]

109er said:

Best I can find but, they want to build it down that large hole:

The brown bit with the 'lakes' as they put it.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Bluewater&ll=...

Best pic available from the road.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Bluewater&ll=...

It seems I may be wrong, or am I

Just watched Meridian News and they showed this area:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ebbsfleet&ll=...

as the new site for this 'city' and then showed a picture of this site as 'how it looks now
showing this area.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ebbsfleet&ll=...

If its the first site, surely that would be an extension of Swanscombe and be nothing more
than a 'new' housing estate. Even if it is the second larger site, the only thing between
Swanscombe and 'it' will be a small clump of tree's and a 'cliff' face.

So now the question is, What site is the correct site

Roger

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BoRED S2upid said:

I presume these new houses will be reasonably priced so the average Jo can afford them? £150k for a 3 bed would be reasonable.

I think not, 3 bed detached £300,000 (Local estate agent)

To be built, 3 bed POA

Only time will tell.

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MysteryLemon said:

People saying the local road networks can't support it...

To right they won't, you should see the hold ups when Bluewater is open, especially
weekends and bank holidays
With this new 'housing estate' it will be one big carpark.

[109er]

anonymous said:

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As posted earlier:
I think not, 3 bed detached £300,000 (Local estate agent)
To be built, 3 bed POA
Only time will tell.

I don't think it will help the local housing shortage, as I don't suspect many are earning enough
to get a mortgage for that much.

May I sugest that you go and look at the area concerned. The only roads in and out are very
narrow, and don't say 'widen them' because to do so you would need to demolish houses that
are already there.