Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough

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Looking forward to see the UKIPH defence for his actions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1076...

Nigel Farage could face an expenses inquiry into allegations concerning £60,000 of missing European Union funds paid into his personal bank account.

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Getragdogleg said:

TKF, have the "UKIPH" reactions been as you were expecting so far?

Pretty much. It's all a non-story/conspiracy, apparently.

Lucky he isn't a Muslim BBC MEP.

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don4l said:

What do you think that he has done wrong?

Claim £60k in allowances that UKIP says it "doesn't want. We don't want British MEP's costing the taxpayers all this money". Way to make a stand, Nige.

Then on the UKIP website they want to be transparent and show where the money goes and this allowance had gone to pay for his office. Except the office is entirely rent free.

Everyone is at it and frankly I don't blame them. I'd rinse it for all it was worth given half the chance.

This thread is more about the blinkered UKIPHers who would stand up for Nige whatever he does. And, predictably, they have.

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Phew! Glad we got that one sorted and it's clear that St Nige is all above board and correct with only our interests at heart.

Can we go back to discussing Muslims and BBC now?

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Andy Zarse said:

TKF said:

Phew! Glad we got that one sorted and it's clear that St Nige is all above board and correct with only our interests at heart.

Can we go back to discussing Muslims and BBC now?

Earlier in the thread...

10 Pence Short said:

It would make a refreshing change if people either defended the action, admitted it was wrong or provided some other explanation as to why it is ok, instead of simply saying "Oi! Look over there instead"!

Petard; hoist.

You appear to have quoted two different posters.

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I see. So I was hoisted by someone else's petard? Not quite as catchy.

PS laugh at "attempted to defame". Have I damaged St Nige's ipstanding reputation then? Any good lawyers in?

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10 Pence Short said:

Which attempts?

You know, the ones where he goes to parliament in Brussels/Strasbourg and stands up for the British people.

Well obviously between Jul-Dec last year there were no visits but that's beside the point and an obvious smear by the establishment.

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don4l said:

Do you understand the difference between an allowance and an expense claim?

One needs receipts to prove it's being spent correctly. The other relies on trust that it's being spent correctly.

Farage, like most UK MEP's, publish spending on their website and he's allocated £17k for office costs. Even with the revised figures in the letter today there is a fairly major discrepancy between the allowance he's accepted and the cost of the office.

But of course we can be utterly sure that all politicians are trustworthy and wouldn't be spending this money on anything other than official business it's time to move on and stop pointing fingers.

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einsign said:

http://www.ukip.org/who_are_the_times_journalists_...

All attacked for being "privately educated former Conservatives".

So, just like Farage then.

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dandarez said:

My god, it's only the Euro (and Council) elections next month, not the GE yet both threads at the top are Kippers'.

We REALLY have got you other dyed in the wool, stuck in the mud, ToryLabLibs worried haven't we?

If you mean lots of people are pointing and laughing at swivel eyed loons then yes, we're petrified.

As an aside I can't help but chuckle at the repeated shorthand for Nigel Farage. I suppose in a way he is a bit National Front Lite

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A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.

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A tetchy lot, these UKIPHers

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Breadvan72 said:

The point here is that when Nige presents himself (I think falsely) as the ordinary bloke standing against the toffs, his own socio-economic background becomes relevant. It's not a big point; merely another example of the mountebank tricks whereby Nige masquerades as something other than yet another professional politician who is in it for reasons of personal ambition, and who is prepared to dance around the truth when it suits him to do so.

Don't be silly. I've seen him drinks pints and everything.

No privately educated ex-Tory former commodities trader would drink beer.

He's one of us, BV. One of us.

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Guam said:

WinstonWolf said:

Guam said:

10 Pence Short said:

Guam said:

Do we know that IS what he has done yet? I am yet to see evidence to that effect, perhaps you have a link?

Farage admits he has received the money. There is dispute over how much of it is being spent on the things it is supposed to be.

Well we know he received the flaming money every MEP does, he can hardly deny it, so show us some evidence regarding these "disputes" so far much fluff no substance from what I am finding, this isn't it appears like Maria miller, or the Labour crooks who had documented wrong doing published. When the Telegraph did its thing it had hard evidence and published it, so where is the Times equivalent?
give us a link and I will happily sign a petition demanding he stands down (as I did with miller through Change.org)

You do realise 10PS will now spend his entire day desperately searching on Google

No he wont, none of them will produce the "facts". I have already dug really deep and there is nothing I can find, if there had been I would have posted it myself, plenty of allegations but nothing of real substance thus far.

It takes no time at all to find discrepancies in the numbers.

Farage said:

The office costs about £1000/mth

David Samuel-Camps said:

The office costs £700 per month. When I went to school we were taught the times tables and that £700 times 12 equals £8400 (which is not too far removed from Mr Farage’s £1000 per month)

UKIP website said:

The office costs £1400/mth

We're not talking massive sums but I bet everyone here would welcome a few hundred pounds per month of tax free money paid directly to their personal account with no requirement to supply receipts or justification of where it's gone.

They are ALL at it, MEPs and MPs. We're just saying Farage is no different and therefore hypocritical when he was so vocal about Miller.

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Those are the rebuttals. They are the most recent figures provided by the parties involved.

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jogon said:

TKF said:

Those are the rebuttals. They are the most recent figures provided by the parties involved.

It's a fking allowance! No receipts required. He could have spent it on coke and hookers for all I care.

Would that mean his nose is in the trough?

Glad we've come full circle.

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Guam said:

TKF said:

jogon said:

TKF said:

Those are the rebuttals. They are the most recent figures provided by the parties involved.

It's a fking allowance! No receipts required. He could have spent it on coke and hookers for all I care.

Would that mean his nose is in the trough?

Glad we've come full circle.

Yes yes we have it was horsehit initially and you are back to repeating the same nonsense.

It has been pointed out by everyone that these allowances are fixed amounts all the MEP's get the same amount, it is up to the MEP how they are spent, these are not expenses. The fact that you are incapable of understanding the difference is a sad indictment of our educational system. There is not even a mechanism to hand back unspent amounts, wishing for wrong doing wont make it so sorry!

I fully understand the difference between expenses and an allowance. I receive both in my job and I rinse them for all they are worth. I also avoid tax within HMRC's nicely flexible rules.

The difference being I don't then get up on a soapbox and criticise others from doing so and call for their heads.

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Guam said:

The European Parliament said on Monday that there was no further cause to investigate Mr McMillan-Scott's claims, according to Ukip's website.

So even the EU itself reckons it is nonsense lol

Funny how someone marking their own homework always gets an A.

At the risk of repeating myself I'm not saying Farage is doing anything different compared to every other politician. Just that he's a hypocrite for criticising others.

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They aren't indeterminate

Nice try

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WinstonWolf said:

TKF said:

Guam said:

The European Parliament said on Monday that there was no further cause to investigate Mr McMillan-Scott's claims, according to Ukip's website.

So even the EU itself reckons it is nonsense lol

Funny how someone marking their own homework always gets an A.

At the risk of repeating myself I'm not saying Farage is doing anything different compared to every other politician. Just that he's a hypocrite for criticising others.

So when Dave criticises Labour policy he's a?

>belm<

Farage was criticising Miller for abusing tax payer's money whilst his nose was in the trough full of freshly delivered gravy.

Edited by TKF on Thursday 17th April 14:04